Rookie You're Most Concerned About - Potential Bust

[Sami84]

I've been watching as much tape on all our rookies and I feel the following 4 rookies have a bright future

Tim Williams
Potential player comp = Robert Mathis

Chris Wormley
Potential player comp- Giants version of Chris Canty

3-Marlon Humphrey
Potential player comp- Nate Clements

4- NIco Siragusa
potential player comp Edwin Mulitalo


that leaves two guys that I'm concerned about

tyus bowser
- What concerns me the most about his tape is his lack of instincts. It's blatant ..a SAM linebacker cannot second guess himself. Nearly every snap, he's a second behind the play and relies on his athletic skills to try and counter that. I'm very wary of linebackers that lack IQ and are not instinctive. A non-instinctive and non-assertive linebacker is a recipe for a bust.

Jermain Elumenaor

- Another project. Sure he's powerful but his footwork is poor. Not that concerned about his situation. He's a project so whatever.


If i'm going to a pick a way too early bust in the making it's of course our second round pick, tyus bowser.

what are you're feelings?

 

[JoeyFlex5]

I'd say bowser as well. He's extremely raw. I see him second guessing himself a bit as well but that seems to be in the pass rush and when he's defending the edge. He doesn't second guess in coverage, he drops and knows what he's doing and where to be and when to pick up a man and when to maintain zone integrity.

He isn't much of an edge rusher and I'm really tired of analysts describing him as some great pickup as a pass rusher and then mentioning his coverage as an afterthought, smh. He can blitz well as he's extremely light on his feet and has a great takeoff, so on third down he can bring a lot of confusion and disruption being able to be an excellent cover man and the threat of his delayed blitz is always there, he can be a very effective chess piece, I just don't see him becoming an edge rusher anytime soon

 

[RavensMania]

I'd say bowser as well. He's extremely raw. I see him second guessing himself a bit as well but that seems to be in the pass rush and when he's defending the edge. He doesn't second guess in coverage, he drops and knows what he's doing and where to be and when to pick up a man and when to maintain zone integrity.

He isn't much of an edge rusher and I'm really tired of analysts describing him as some great pickup as a pass rusher and then mentioning his coverage as an afterthought, smh. He can blitz well as he's extremely light on his feet and has a great takeoff, so on third down he can bring a lot of confusion and disruption being able to be an excellent cover man and the threat of his delayed blitz is always there, he can be a very effective chess piece, I just don't see him becoming an edge rusher anytime soon

I see this as well and don't understand the analysts at all. Are they not watching the tape? It's obvious that his strength is in coverage and his athletic traits are off the chain. Imo, he provides a Jamie Collins type role on our defense and will be a valuable piece.

To me, Chris Wormley has the highest bust potential only because we traded a 5t to move up to 74 and used it on Wormley. Now I was one of the few that agreed with the move, but we need someone to start right away and I want him to at the very least start as a 3t with rotation as a 5t.

That being said I don't think anyone on day 3 if they don't pan out should be called a bust.

i don't see Bowser busting because I feel he will be at the very worst, an excellent Sam backer with great coverage skills. Better than all of our lbs from the get go.

 

[HNL Raven]

Bowser, Lot have been said already.

 

[usmccharles]

Even though he is the guy i wanted so badly, i will agree that Bowser is raw. He offers a lot of upside in the coverage aspect but im not seeing the rushing the passer praise that he seems to get.

 

[wrongbaldy]

Even though he is the guy i wanted so badly, i will agree that Bowser is raw. He offers a lot of upside in the coverage aspect but im not seeing the rushing the passer praise that he seems to get.

are you part of the FWO on RSR lol

 

[Deebo813]

Im worried about humprhey. He just doesnt have the instincts nor ball skills

 

[Sami84]

Im worried about humprhey. He just doesnt have the instincts nor ball skills

He has instincts..it's ball skills which needs work.

 

[jdynamite]

Even though he is the guy i wanted so badly, i will agree that Bowser is raw. He offers a lot of upside in the coverage aspect but im not seeing the rushing the passer praise that he seems to get.

My thoughts as well.
When that 2nd round pick came I had 3 players I wanted Bowser, JuJu ( went to Steelers ) or J.Willis ( later went to the Bengals).

Bowser drops back into coverage a lot and moves very well while doing so.

It's usually the opposite with college guys, they usually pop off the screen as pass rushers and they look for athleticism and hope they can play in space.
[doublepost=1494575892,1494574429][/doublepost]It's probably fair for Bowser to be the choice, while he's an athletic guy, he lacks technique as a pass rusher and doesn't appear to have many moves outside of going pure speed rush.

I'm wondering if he could eventually get a look inside, but I guess that depends on Correa's development.

 

[Sledge Hammer]

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are you part of the FWO on RSR lol

What the hell is FWO?

 

[Jacquouille]

Im worried about humprhey. He just doesnt have the instincts nor ball skills

I'm not Humphrey's biggest fan but I don't see how you question his instincts. His diagnosing of the play is elite for a CB. His ball skills are also excellent when he doesn't have to turn his head and when he knows how to turn his head he's going to get a lot of PDs and INTs.

 

[Sledge Hammer]

I've been watching as much tape on all our rookies and I feel the following 4 rookies have a bright future

Tim Williams
Potential player comp = Robert Mathis

Chris Wormley
Potential player comp- Giants version of Chris Canty

3-Marlon Humphrey
Potential player comp- Nate Clements

4- NIco Siragusa
potential player comp Edwin Mulitalo


that leaves two guys that I'm concerned about

tyus bowser
- What concerns me the most about his tape is his lack of instincts. It's blatant ..a SAM linebacker cannot second guess himself. Nearly every snap, he's a second behind the play and relies on his athletic skills to try and counter that. I'm very wary of linebackers that lack IQ and are not instinctive. A non-instinctive and non-assertive linebacker is a recipe for a bust.

Jermain Elumenaor

- Another project. Sure he's powerful but his footwork is poor. Not that concerned about his situation. He's a project so whatever.


If i'm going to a pick a way too early bust in the making it's of course our second round pick, tyus bowser.

what are you're feelings?

I don't worry much about Eluemunor busting. He was one of my favorite players before we drafted him. You are correct he is very raw. But he got by on sheer strength and athleticism. When his technique catches up look out. He does have sloppy feet. However it isn't sloppy in that it's slow and tight. He bounces around like a kangaroo. It's actually encouraging seeing his feet move so fast fluid and bouncy. When he is taught to control that. Defensive lineman are in for very bad days. Even if he were to bust what round was he drafted? Like 5

Siragusa. At least a steady guard or center

Tim Williams. At least an effective edge rush specialist.

Everybody else I worry a little about busting. Bowser has a lot to prove and a lot to learn. I don't think his playspeed is up to his computer numbers. Not yet anyways. And he has to show technique and toughness.

Wormley I don't think brings much to the table to stress NFL O-Lineman. He is ok at a lot of things at college level. NFL level is something different. He was drafted more for character and polish than skills and wow factor. He is big and long but his strength doesn't match. He tested well for a near 300 lb player but doesn't play explosive at all. Doesn't play nearly up to his computer numbers. Geno Atkins ran a 4.8 as well and look at his explosion and play next to Wormleys

Humphrey should be at least a good cover2 cornerback or Strong Safety. He will probably never be that shutdown cornerback you leave one on one with the great WRs. He has lot of flaws and kinks to work out before ever considering that for sure. Cover2 I worry he has feel for zones picking up players and peeling off to pick up the next receiver crossing his zone. But I'm sure he can learn that. PFF projects him to strong safety. Even if he is a great SS. I prefer him working out some of his kinks as a cornerback before playing SS. The better he is in coverage as a cornerback the better he will be as a safety.
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I'm not Humphrey's biggest fan but I don't see how you question his instincts. His diagnosing of the play is elite for a CB. His ball skills are also excellent when he doesn't have to turn his head and when he knows how to turn his head he's going to get a lot of PDs and INTs.

That is a gift. A player can get better at it. But it's rare a player that struggles at it becomes good at it. Very rare.

 

[Sami84]

I don't worry much about Eluemunor busting. He was one of my favorite players before we drafted him. You are correct he is very raw. But he got by on sheer strength and athleticism. When his technique catches up look out. He does have sloppy feet. However it isn't sloppy in that it's slow and tight. He bounces around like a kangaroo. It's actually encouraging seeing his feet move so fast fluid and bouncy. When he is taught to control that. Defensive lineman are in for very bad days. Even if he were to bust what round was he drafted? Like 5

Siragusa. At least a steady guard or center

Tim Williams. At least an effective edge rush specialist.

Everybody else I worry a little about busting. Bowser has a lot to prove and a lot to learn. I don't think his playspeed is up to his computer numbers. Not yet anyways. And he has to show technique and toughness.

Wormley I don't think brings much to the table to stress NFL O-Lineman. He is ok at a lot of things at college level. NFL level is something different. He was drafted more for character and polish than skills and wow factor. He is big and long but his strength doesn't match. He tested well for a near 300 lb player but doesn't play explosive at all. Doesn't play nearly up to his computer numbers. Geno Atkins ran a 4.8 as well and look at his explosion and play next to Wormleys

Humphrey should be at least a good cover2 cornerback or Strong Safety. He will probably never be that shutdown cornerback you leave one on one with the great WRs. He has lot of flaws and kinks to work out before ever considering that for sure. Cover2 I worry he has feel for zones picking up players and peeling off to pick up the next receiver crossing his zone. But I'm sure he can learn that. PFF projects him to strong safety. Even if he is a great SS. I prefer him working out some of his kinks as a cornerback before playing SS. The better he is in coverage as a cornerback the better he will be as a safety.
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That is a gift. A player can get better at it. But it's rare a player that struggles at it becomes good at it. Very rare.

Wormley was misused last year. in 2015 he dominated as a DT. He was wasted at the edge last year. He was the NUMBER 1 pass rushing DT in the league and a top 20 pick if he declared last year.

I like him a lot more than Jernigan/Guy/Urban.

We need to play him more on the inside.
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My thoughts as well.
When that 2nd round pick came I had 3 players I wanted Bowser, JuJu ( went to Steelers ) or J.Willis ( later went to the Bengals).

Bowser drops back into coverage a lot and moves very well while doing so.

It's usually the opposite with college guys, they usually pop off the screen as pass rushers and they look for athleticism and hope they can play in space.
[doublepost=1494575892,1494574429][/doublepost]It's probably fair for Bowser to be the choice, while he's an athletic guy, he lacks technique as a pass rusher and doesn't appear to have many moves outside of going pure speed rush.

I'm wondering if he could eventually get a look inside, but I guess that depends on Correa's development.

Bowser needs to be coached up and he needs to watch film. This year though, we'll be owning any TE..no TE is going to get the better of us.

 

[RavensMania]

Im worried about humprhey. He just doesnt have the instincts nor ball skills

He's loaded with instincts, and I believe with a bit of improved technique, his ball skills will be improved. I don't see bustnin Humphrey at all. Play him to his strengths and he will more than succeed.

 

[jdynamite]

Yeah he needs to be coached up and dive deep into the playbook and film study so that he can flow naturally within a game.

Who knows could have been the defensive concepts causing him to hesitate at times. As a comparison I'm Miami Hurricanes fan and under Golden the defense ran a lot of zone concepts and read and react system is how Golden described. The pass rushers they brought in never provided any pressure, the defense often looked tentative for periods of time in games.
Last year under Richt, they told the front 4 just fire off the ball and make plays, play the run on the way. The defense went from one of the worst to one of the best with most of the same talent, and 3 true freshmen LBs.

 

[RavensMania]

Wormley was misused last year. in 2015 he dominated as a DT. He was wasted at the edge last year. He was the NUMBER 1 pass rushing DT in the league and a top 20 pick if he declared last year.

I like him a lot more than Jernigan/Guy/Urban.

We need to play him more on the inside.

Absolutely agree. Kaufusi probably wouldn't have been able to kick inside in nickel defense, while Wormley will be able to do that and in base d he can play 5T and or 3T. I do believe he will be starting at one of these spots this year.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

Im worried about humprhey. He just doesnt have the instincts nor ball skills

he has some of the best instincts in the entire draft. He's an elite zone prospect and that doesn't happen with bad instincts.

 

[RL52TheGreatest]

I'll agree with Bowser being the biggest bust potential since I don't really see him as an edge rusher. If we use him like Jamie Collins then I think he'll be fine, but if we try to make him play the edge, exclusively, then we'll have problems. Move him around though, drop him in coverage, and blitz him from different positions, and I think he should contribute nicely to the defense.

 

[Sledge Hammer]

he has some of the best instincts in the entire draft. He's an elite zone prospect and that doesn't happen with bad instincts.

Yes but his instinctive plays appear to all be shallow. Have saw little to nothing impressive about his instincts deeper he gets from line of scrimmage. Maybe he has and I missed it thus far

 

[Tiz]

Yes but his instinctive plays appear to all be shallow. Have saw little to nothing impressive about his instincts deeper he gets from line of scrimmage. Maybe he has and I missed it thus far

Which seems like he's a perfect fit for what we are trying to do so I fail to see how it's s knock on him that he excels at what he's going to be asked to do