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The Offensive Line Thread

TheCity5 said:
I was a big fan of Nelson in last years draft and thought that he would be our pick in the 1st round, lol. He got a first round grade I believe but still decided to return to College. Maybe he wants to build on his craft but he's a guy that I think is an impact starter day one, much in the mold of Zach Martin. I don't know if he falls to us since this is a weak class, I honestly think that if we take anyone in the 1st at the moment it would be a WR.
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I also don’t believe we will be high enough to be able to draft Nelson without trading up and that could cost a fortune. You may be right, wr may end up being the pick.
 
RavensMania said:
I also don’t believe we will be high enough to be able to draft Nelson without trading up and that could cost a fortune. You may be right, wr may end up being the pick.
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If I could pick a position it would be TE, then maybe guard or T, then Safety, then WR, then WAY back is everything else.
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
This still doesn't change the fact that I do not like the way they grade and I value their premium statistics, but will not rely on their grades.

And just to add, I hold offensive lineman in a different light than any other position grade wise because of the fact that it is a cohesive five man unit that has to work in conjunction incredibly well and with synergy. It is by far the most subjective and difficult of any group, in my opinion, to actually gauge properly and I share Lang's sentiment that unless you are playing offensive line, you will be inherently behind the 8 ball.
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And you're owed the right to have that opinion. I agree in that there's a steep learning curve. But there's a difference in my eyes between starting behind the eight ball and being automatically dismissed from the game. I doubt we'll budge from our respective stances, so it may be best for us to agree to disagree and leave it at that.
 
Truth said:
And you're owed the right to have that opinion. I agree in that there's a steep learning curve. But there's a difference in my eyes between starting behind the eight ball and being automatically dismissed from the game. I doubt we'll budge from our respective stances, so it may be best for us to agree to disagree and leave it at that.
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I love their stats and I check them every time I can because I can't get the information elsewhere and I respect that they explain their rationale. Just not a fan of the grades they assign.
 
TheCity5 said:
I think they will just take the cap hit down, he's not that far removed from his last deal


You did address everything and even though that's unfortunate in the fact that they don't have all of that information immediately, I do believe that there could still be more evaluation done before putting the grades out. I recall that they used to put out their grades a day later but now it's like they put them in 40 mins after the game ends, I just don't think that's enough time for a evaluation and while their grades are subject to change I just don't know how often they are.

In terms of our TEs being a difference, I think PFF has recognized it in the fact that Watson and Boyle have combined for 248 yards through five games, yet have a grade of 70.1 and 71.7 respectively. I think they've done a tremendous job in maintaining their blocks and chipping defenders and it's helped tremendously, I saw Ben Watson pancake one of the Raiders linebackers, Adams I believe on a run play, that's something that should never happen, it's almost line having an extra linemen there and while they are not going to impact the game much in pass catching, they certainly do run blocking, Pitta was one of our biggest liabilities in this aspect IMO. I think a lot of credit should be given to Stanley and Howard, and I think the unit did fantastic against Oakland and where helped a ton by Watson and Boyle.
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Good to hear. From my experience, I've noticed a plethora of grades being altered throughout the week every week. Ryan Jensen and Ronnie Stanley, for example, were bumped up several days after the Raiders game for one. They didn't update the grades in the articles, and it appears that they never do.

I can't disagree with any part of the latter. The TEs have been helpful in both facets, especially last week on the chips and doubles. Both the OTs and the TEs deserve credit for last week, including the game plan. It's a far cry from years back when we forced James Hurst to take on J.J. Watt by his lonesome despite repeatedly (and unsurprisingly) allowing pressures in the mismatch.
 
Sledge Hammer said:
And let's acknowledge Jensen isn't a Kevin Gogan type mauler that mauls to compensate for athletic deficiencies. He is very very athletic for a 330lb interior lineman. His combine numbers were really good. And some believed he could be a RT!! His brother was a highly touted player with round2 hype if I remember correctly. He got some type of injury.

Jensen didn't bring the hype of his brother but was actually a bigger stronger player with as much athleticism. Maybe it was due to his ADD or similar type problem. Having trouble sleeping or something like that. Maybe that was what bumped him down. But his physical attributes is top shelf. If Eluemunor can get up to speed and consistent?? I really like this OLine. And Eluemunor really wants it. The dude wants to be great!!

Not that I want to count on him next year. I think Alex Lewis has good potential. He never is gonna be a leverage player on the interior. But he could maybe be a mauler through long arms and big strong hands to grip and control. He did look bigger and stronger this year. And his leverage should improve some as he adjusts to the interior play. I wouldn't count on him or Hurst next season. I would really prefer the guard from Notre Dame to fill out the interior with Jensen and Eluemunor going into the future. And Yanda Jensen next season. Really has to do with Yanda returning to form and or Eluemunor fulfilling potential
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I personally don't know if I envision Lewis as a mauler. I didn't come away with that impression when I drafted him the FM, and that assessment was of him as a future OT. Just my observation though and I'm not necessarily ruling anything out.
 
RavensMania said:
I also don’t believe we will be high enough to be able to draft Nelson without trading up and that could cost a fortune. You may be right, wr may end up being the pick.
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There's not a receiver who is transcendent in this draft but there are guys who will be solid players. I don't think there's any WR in this draft who would change this offense, I think it's guys who would contribute which is fine. I think we'll get someone in either round 1 or 2, I think it's a huge need and I don't think the FO is going to miss out on it unless they sign someone major.
 
TheCity5 said:
There's not a receiver who is transcendent in this draft but there are guys who will be solid players. I don't think there's any WR in this draft who would change this offense, I think it's guys who would contribute which is fine. I think we'll get someone in either round 1 or 2, I think it's a huge need and I don't think the FO is going to miss out on it unless they sign someone major.
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I really like Calvin Ridley. He is my favorite player in draft behind Nelson and Mcglinchey. Mcglinchey is 2a and Ridley is 2b. And of Course Nelson is 1A and 1B!! The awful 2015 season has everybody in habit here talking draft early season. lol Back when I read this board and didn't post for many years I don't remember discussing draftable players this early in season.lol B4 this board I think it was Scout?? That I read over once every week. Anyways players I like are Nelson Mcglinchey and Ridley in that particular order. All should be cornerstones.
 
Sledge Hammer said:
I really like Calvin Ridley. He is my favorite player in draft behind Nelson and Mcglinchey. Mcglinchey is 2a and Ridley is 2b. And of Course Nelson is 1A and 1B!! The awful 2015 season has everybody in habit here talking draft early season. lol Back when I read this board and didn't post for many years I don't remember discussing draftable players this early in season.lol B4 this board I think it was Scout?? That I read over once every week. Anyways players I like are Nelson Mcglinchey and Ridley in that particular order. All should be cornerstones.
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I’ve always talked draft early. Has nothing to do with the 2015 season.
 
Jermaine doesn't have a damn clue about how to pick up a blocker. Watch any player where a linebacker has a delayed blitz. Jermaine stands there and just looks like he is mental. This is crazy but it is 3 am so stay with me, is it possible Bergstorm isn't being played to save our future? From everything I could find, his trade was conditional. (Aka the deal went, if he plays well in 10 games, give us a 3rd, if he sucks give us a 6th) Crazy thought but maybe.
 
purplepittabread88 said:
Jermaine doesn't have a damn clue about how to pick up a blocker. Watch any player where a linebacker has a delayed blitz. Jermaine stands there and just looks like he is mental. This is crazy but it is 3 am so stay with me, is it possible Bergstorm isn't being played to save our future? From everything I could find, his trade was conditional. (Aka the deal went, if he plays well in 10 games, give us a 3rd, if he sucks give us a 6th) Crazy thought but maybe.
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Bergstrom was awful when he came in to replace Yanda - like well below replacement level

And in terms of that conditional - the conditions are most likely a 6th/7th if he plays the whole year and plays a certain number of snaps or nothing and it'll be an almost identical deal with bowanko
 
I feel a lot better about the OL going forward than the rest of the offense. Stanley-Lewis/Siragusa-Jensen-Yanda-Howard is frankly about as good of a line as you can ask for considering the salary cap and lack of a quality talent coming up from college. Im sure that there is going to be a lineman or two added next season, but as far as starters go, any upgrade would obviously be welcome, but the skill positions are a much more significant long-term problem.
 
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