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The Running Game, The 4th Quarter and Everyone's Blood Pressure

UPennChem said:
And it is all connected and related.

Start with bad WR separation --> limited offensive scheme --> easy to defend --> extra hard to get separation --> bad offense --> gets figured out of the course of a game --> low or zero fourth quarter points --> blowing games
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It actually starts little before - with the composition and a player choice in the draft and FA. The offense is built to be limited.

I can understand a bad O line pass blocking day, bad Lamar's day, bad pass catchers' day but I can't understand the inability of putting it together in both the run and pass games. There are a lot of teams in the league who do it well on both sides.
 
ravenslord said:
I think we can all finally agree that Greg Roman sucks ass. TIme to move on from him .
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what is it that you guys are seeing that im not seeing today?

seen so many people getting all in their feelings about roman and i dont get what it was about today's game that did it? or is it just that whenever the offence doesn't look amazing, it's got to be roman's fault?

i cant believe this forum is turning me into some sort of greg roman defender...

i saw 1 playcall that i hate - and i wish someone would literally hold GRo at gunpoint and make him delete that play from every single playbook he and the entire team owns but otherwise i think he called a pretty good game
 
Militant X 1 said:
I get that whole, "get an agent" thing. I do! But, I also understand wanting to take your career into your own hands and keeping that money "in-house" so to speak. Lamar is not the first player to not have an agent. However, I do believe that his playful demeanor has definitely been affected by negotiations. He's not the same cat that we've seen on the field before the negotiations began. And there is no doubt, that Lamar perhaps, "assumed" that how he's been off the field and the excitement and energy that he brought to the Ravens organization, the city of Baltimore, and the Ravens fanbase over the past few years, warranted his receiving a new contract prior to the season beginning. That didn't happen! And now look how he's playing. Just trying to connect a dot.
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By most accounts he was offered a contract that was fair and equitable, but wasn’t fully guaranteed which I doubt will ever happen. Don’t think you can blame the Team, it was LJ’s choice not to sign.

Seems there’s 17 players out of about 2000 who don’t have agents. As hard it is to play QB in the NFL I maintain it’s dumb to not have an agent handle all of the business.

www.whas11.com

Navigating NFL without an agent remains tricky proposition

In a league with more than 2,000 players, Lamar Jackson is one of only 17 currently acting as their own agent, according to the NFLPA.
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rossihunter2 said:
what is it that you guys are seeing that im not seeing today?

seen so many people getting all in their feelings about roman and i dont get what it was about today's game that did it? or is it just that whenever the offence doesn't look amazing, it's got to be roman's fault?

i cant believe this forum is turning me into some sort of greg roman defender...

i saw 1 playcall that i hate - and i wish someone would literally hold GRo at gunpoint and make him delete that play from every single playbook he and the entire team owns but otherwise i think he called a pretty good game
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I don’t get it it, the problem ain’t Roman.
 
Dom McRaven said:
Have you seen our defense constantly choke in the 2nd half? Or our offense that looks average at best? You can call pessimism if you want, I call it being realistic. It's a weekly pattern.
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The weekly pattern of this: 20, 24, 17, and 23. Those are the points that the Ravens have given up the past 4 weeks. That is the pattern. Realism is not expecting Brady to do any better than that considering that he has not against worse defenses. Realism is not the same as pessimism. Realism would be looking at that pattern and seeing that they are facing one of the worst offenses in the NFL and expecting that pattern to hold up.

Edit: I should note 2 of those offenses were the Bills and Bengals both of whom seem to be looking really strong right now on offense.
 
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UPennChem said:
With that being said the season has been (ignoring the defense entirely) a tale of two of two offenses, weeks 1-3, and 4-7. So if it's not the situational play calling, it can really only be one of two other possibilities. Consistent poor player execution and the scheme in general. We've certainly seen poor player execution, but today's game I'd argue was almost entirely based on the offensive scheme being almost totally understood by the Browns defense.
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i mean i really do think it's execution
we had at least 2 TDs that failed because of slight execution errors and also that late long drive where Hill fumbled took away points too - suddenly we're looking at an offence that scored well over 30 points without even playing that great

i do think we've got a serious WR problem but i think a much bigger problem was the pass protection today - it's tough to get open when the browns dropped 8 and it's impossible to find open guys consistently when the browns 4-6 man rushes were instantly overwhelming the OL

id love to see us spread teams out but until Likely turns into what he was in the preseason or we find some help from elsewhere (maybe it's desean jackson but i'd be stunned if he makes any real impact) we're short-handed at receiver
 
Tank said:
By most accounts he was offered a contract that was fair and equitable, but wasn’t fully guaranteed which I doubt will ever happen. Don’t think you can blame the Team, it was LJ’s choice not to sign.

Seems there’s 17 players out of about 2000 who don’t have agents. As hard it is to play QB in the NFL I maintain it’s dumb to not have an agent handle all of the business.

www.whas11.com

Navigating NFL without an agent remains tricky proposition

In a league with more than 2,000 players, Lamar Jackson is one of only 17 currently acting as their own agent, according to the NFLPA.
www.whas11.com www.whas11.com
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He may have been offered something that was "fair" and "equitable" in other people's eyes but not his. I stay out of another grown man's pockets. All, I am and will say is that I believe the negotiations (things being said to Lamar's face about why he is not worth what he's asking for) have affected Lamar's gameplay. Where he once was having fun before the negotiations began, he's clearly not the same cat now since then. Maybe he'll sign what the Ravens offered? Maybe they will offer him a little less now? Who knows? I just know that I want my "L-Jack" attack back cause this version ain't it!
 
allblackraven said:
It actually starts little before - with the composition and a player choice in the draft and FA. The offense is built to be limited.

I can understand a bad O line pass blocking day, bad Lamar's day, bad pass catchers' day but I can't understand the inability of putting it together in both the run and pass games. There are a lot of teams in the league who do it well on both sides.
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i just cant possibly agree with that when for all intents and purposes they were looking to draft a WR at 14 and the double-dip at TE was only because we got sniped by the steelers for the WR we wanted

and while i dont believe we were picking anyone except Ojabo at 45, the Texans clearly thought we were picking Metchie

you can criticise the outcomes for sure - but i dont think you can reasonably say that Roman asked for this or planned for this
 
rossihunter2 said:
what is it that you guys are seeing that im not seeing today?

seen so many people getting all in their feelings about roman and i dont get what it was about today's game that did it? or is it just that whenever the offence doesn't look amazing, it's got to be roman's fault?

i cant believe this forum is turning me into some sort of greg roman defender...

i saw 1 playcall that i hate - and i wish someone would literally hold GRo at gunpoint and make him delete that play from every single playbook he and the entire team owns but otherwise i think he called a pretty good game
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For me his passing plays just all feel slow and long to develop. Also an absolute refusal to use a spread offense that would actually fit our personnel. And you don't need a ton of WR talent to make that work. Duv, Bateman, Andrews, and one other person with Gus occasional shifting from the backfield to slot wr.

I just look around the league and see other teams with the same level of talent putting their guys in better position to succeed.
 
Militant X 1 said:
He may have been offered something that was "fair" and "equitable" in other people's eyes but not his. I stay out of another grown man's pockets. All, I am and will say is that I believe the negotiations (things being said to Lamar's face about why he is not worth what he's asking for) have affected Lamar's gameplay. Where he once was having fun before the negotiations began, he's clearly not the same cat now since then. Maybe he'll sign what the Ravens offered? Maybe they will offer him a little less now? Who knows? I just know that I want my "L-Jack" attack back cause this version ain't it!
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Exactly. Which is why he should be worrying about what he is being paid to do, play football.

I could go back and find the posts from the summer, but the fear was always the contract issues would affect his play. I hope he can turn it around and get back on track.
 
I’m still pissed that a push-off by Amari and a false start on a field goal saved someone’s job today
 
rossihunter2 said:
i mean i really do think it's execution
we had at least 2 TDs that failed because of slight execution errors and also that late long drive where Hill fumbled took away points too - suddenly we're looking at an offence that scored well over 30 points without even playing that great

i do think we've got a serious WR problem but i think a much bigger problem was the pass protection today - it's tough to get open when the browns dropped 8 and it's impossible to find open guys consistently when the browns 4-6 man rushes were instantly overwhelming the OL

id love to see us spread teams out but until Likely turns into what he was in the preseason or we find some help from elsewhere (maybe it's desean jackson but i'd be stunned if he makes any real impact) we're short-handed at receiver
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Outside of the Hill fumble what execution errors did you see today? To me its what you said about the fact that they dropped a lot and still got pressure. That coupled to being weak at WR means it was hard to pass. To me, if we are going to consistently run heavy sets, there is so much tape that shows how to defend our offense, so I dont expect the offense to get a whole lot better. The only way would come from finding a better receiving option and/or finding a way to change up the packages and get quick timing routes to get Lamar in rhythm and make the defenses respect us. Also have to find some way to get the verticality back into our playcalling its been nonexistent lately.
 
Andrews under center tossing to Lamar. Andrews running up the middle on 3rd down. Draw plays to Edwards on 3rd down. Lamar stretching for the1sr. Working. And yet he only had 8 completions. You all don't remember Hand the ball to Jamal???
 
Tank said:
Exactly. Which is why he should be worrying about what he is being paid to do, play football.

I could go back and find the posts from the summer, but the fear was always the contract issues would affect his play. I hope he can turn it around and get back on track.
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Me too!
 
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