There is no need for this. Just as you said everyone has their opinion, it should be ok to disagree as well.
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There is no need for this. Just as you said everyone has their opinion, it should be ok to disagree as well.
thanks for posting - ive just binged all those clips - really interesting how its changed how i felt about both INTs lol
in-game i had no issue with the 2nd INT (and i still have no problem with the playcall in that spot and for lamar to throw that pass) but the bad placement let that INT happen
in-game i hated the read on the 1st INT and on review it was not a bad read at all - if he looks off the guy who tips the ball at any point in the dropback it's an easy conversion and a great read
lamar's been really good at going through multiple reads quickly but sometimes when he knows where he's going with the ball immediately he needs to remember to not stare down that target - he's great going through progressions but needs to remember to fake some of those reads more (he does it sometimes but he needs to do it even more - the best qbs at that were guys like peyton manning and they would do it all the time - just a quick look to the opposite side just to draw the eyes and body weight of the defenders to open up that hole)
also lamar's footwork vs the preseason is an incredible change - he looks awesome manipulating the pocket with just an economy of movement - feeling the rush, stepping up, sliding out, changing his delivery angle, continuously reading downfield while moving in the pocket
i said post-game that i loved what i saw and watching the waldman breakdowns im doubling down on that initial impression - big fan of what he's accomplishing - a couple of decisions/minor things change and his statline looks like 230 yds, 2 TD, 1 INT + 75 yds, 1 TD
and if im honest if statlines were representative of performance then the one i just posited above is a far better representation of his game than his actual statline
EDIT:
Also that throw to John Brown that was negated by penalty was an awesome throw and read and look off and everything - it was beautiful and if it had counted should be the number 1 play on any ravens highlight reel for him
that's true but he also showed things that irrespective of the defence are impressive like the way he manipulates the pocket and reads downfield
and to be fair, joe's 2 marquee performances this year came against the bills in week 1 and the hapless week 4 steelers defence... not exactly carving up prime defences either
You should watch the Matt Waldman where it compares Josh Allen to Lamar Jackson and shows how poised LJ is in the pocket.
JoeyFlex5
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JoeyFlex5
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I had Rosen and baker 1a and 1b and lamar was secretly in front of darnold, It just felt like blasphemy to put him ahead of darnold but my gut told me to.
It’s the old throw the spaghetti at the wall and see what sticks
Tank
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Wasn’t comparing anything to Joe(wish that would stop), had nothing to do with the point I was making and I guess I should have explained. Playing at home against weak defenses lessens the difficulty and pressure of playing the position. I’m not saying LJ won’t continue to improve just saying things will be more difficult mentally and pressure filled playing better defenses in hostile environments. And if we were somehow able to make it to the tournament you can kick that difficulty and pressure up a few more notches. Is a 21 yo rookie ready to handle it? Don’t know, but obviously odds are against it.
haha exactly the same dude - but i still had all 4 of those guys in the top 15 on my board anyway - and josh allen was at 20 on my board too
I dont have a twitter. I should just able to type his name in and watch it right?
yep
or here's a link direct to it:
https://twitter.com/MattWaldman
just scroll down til you hit the first lamar play and then enjoy all of them
This was on YouTube
JoeyFlex5
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I didn’t have Allen as a first rounder lol
cdp
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i did because of the tools - all 5 of those guys had elite traits which to me made them 1st rounders but josh allen was the least refined which dropped him down the board a little bit - he had the most issues that i felt werent as coachable as some of the other 1st round qbs
cdp
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ngl I'm impressed with Allen. I didn't think he'd fix his footwork that quick. I had a 2nd round grade just because I thought I'd takes him longer.
he's also been the starter as a rookie for the 2nd longest time of all rookies which obviously helps development - it also tells you why its so important to get these rookie qbs starting as early as possible because it exponentially improves their development vs "learning" from the sideline
although i will say this for lamar (and this only happens because he's worked his ass off) but he has made it his business to learn the things he'd need to learn to start from the sideline - things like calling the play from the sideline to practice calling the plays in the huddle and getting better at it so that he can actually make these 2 starts (and hopefully more)
I actually believe that a rookie qb is more prepared when they aren’t rushed into starting. Having Flacco under center has definitely helped Lamar tremendously. Now if a team doesn’t have a veteran on the bench that they trust, then the rookie has to be thrown into the mix and that doesn’t always play out well.
