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Lamar Jackson

Simba said:
I will say, all of this is giving Lamar the ultimate leverage right now. Regardless of whatever theories are out there and which one you side with, it behooves the Ravens organization to try to get this done (or move on if you're on that train) ASAP so this isn't hanging over everyone's heads again next season, but at an inflated rate on a franchise tag. I still don't think any of this is doom and gloom, but I'll continue to maintain that there are some differences of opinion on each respective side, and they need to get that shit ironed out before it does become too much.
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We can't afford a franchise tag and have a competitive team at the same time.
 
allblackraven said:
We can't afford a franchise tag and have a competitive team at the same time.
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Personally, I'd rather see us nut up and pay the price. Not saying it needs to be fully guaranteed but I'd be shocked if there's a number out there that doesn't get this done. If it backfires, oh well. We hitched our wagon to one of the most dynamic players ever and failed trying to capitalize on that. Would much rather see us do that than go through the QB turmoil we had in the early 2000s again. And if it works, then great, that's exactly what we wanted.
 
Simba said:
I will say, all of this is giving Lamar the ultimate leverage right now. Regardless of whatever theories are out there and which one you side with, it behooves the Ravens organization to try to get this done (or move on if you're on that train) ASAP so this isn't hanging over everyone's heads again next season, but at an inflated rate on a franchise tag. I still don't think any of this is doom and gloom, but I'll continue to maintain that there are some differences of opinion on each respective side, and they need to get that shit ironed out before it does become too much.
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For me, its the textbook "both sides should be content with the franchise tag" scenario. Ravens have clear issues with Lamar's durability and, assuming he wants a fully gtd contract, are unwilling to give that this offseason based on those concerns.
And Lamar thinks this is only helping his value and will probably be more entrenched in his position than ever.

So franchise tag makes all the sense in the world.
 
allblackraven said:
We can't afford a franchise tag and have a competitive team at the same time.
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Sure we can. You just can't get Lamar proven shiny new toys when he's on the tag.
There's a ton of scenarios where you tag him and then the roster looks a lot like it looked this year next year. Like probably 85-90% of the important players are back. Just have less ability to add weapons or upgrades.
 
OURavensFan said:
Yea I mean some are trying to downplay Sammy’s comments. I will say it’s ironic that this message is coming from him, he’s always injured. But he can’t be the only player who feels Lamar has put his contract over the team
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I’m sure the OGs like Calais and Justin Houston are pissed. They came back for that ring. It’s just messy all around
 
rmcjacket23 said:
For me, its the textbook "both sides should be content with the franchise tag" scenario. Ravens have clear issues with Lamar's durability and, assuming he wants a fully gtd contract, are unwilling to give that this offseason based on those concerns.
And Lamar thinks this is only helping his value and will probably be more entrenched in his position than ever.

So franchise tag makes all the sense in the world.
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Not sure how missing the most important stretch of the season 2 years in a row helps to increase his value.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
For me, its the textbook "both sides should be content with the franchise tag" scenario. Ravens have clear issues with Lamar's durability and, assuming he wants a fully gtd contract, are unwilling to give that this offseason based on those concerns.
And Lamar thinks this is only helping his value and will probably be more entrenched in his position than ever.

So franchise tag makes all the sense in the world.
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I'm not saying that they are, but jobs should be on the line if they go that route and this all becomes a distraction again with nothing to show for it. That's why I think Lamar has the leverage right now.

With that being said, I definitely understand Bisciotti's philosophy, but when push comes to shove...
 
Simba said:
Personally, I'd rather see us nut up and pay the price. Not saying it needs to be fully guaranteed but I'd be shocked if there's a number out there that doesn't get this done. If it backfires, oh well. We hitched our wagon to one of the most dynamic players ever and failed trying to capitalize on that. Would much rather see us do that than go through the QB turmoil we had in the early 2000s again. And if it works, then great, that's exactly what we wanted.
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Absolutely the only sane thing to do.
 
Sizzle said:
I feel like this situation will ultimately end in a completely torn apart locker room and organization. Please remember that we are almost all Ravens fans. We could also easily be torn apart as a forum with this situation depending on how it is ultimately resolved if we let it.
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You didn’t turn heel cause of Lamar and Harbs war.

You turn heel the second you banged on Hamilton.

Bend the knee.
 
Simba said:
I'm not saying that they are, but jobs should be on the line if they go that route and this all becomes a distraction again with nothing to show for it. That's why I think Lamar has the leverage right now.

With that being said, I definitely understand Bisciotti's philosophy, but when push comes to shove...
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Sure, but that's going to depend on the outcome of 2023. And it'll be individualistic too. The "job" on the line may not only be John's or Eric's. Could be Lamar's too.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Sure, but that's going to depend on the outcome of 2023. And it'll be individualistic too. The "job" on the line may not only be John's or Eric's. Could be Lamar's too.
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I'd argue the best way to ensure they all have jobs here in Baltimore after 2023 is to get something done though
 
Simba said:
I'd argue the best way to ensure they all have jobs here in Baltimore after 2023 is to get something done though
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Probably. Of course it's Eric's ass on the line entirely if he signs a lucrative extension to a QB that proves to be unreliable and doesn't win more playoff games. He'll survive until late in the contract but not longer than that.

Its certainly in everyone's best interest to sign an extension. But it's not in either of their best interests to cave to whatever the other party wants in negotiations. Either there's a middle to be found or not at all.
 
Simba said:
I think the most frustrating thing about the way Harbaugh is handling this is that he put all of this on himself and is now deflecting blame. I generally think the media is worthless with their speculation and all of that, but it's their job to go out there and ask these questions. And then Harbaugh gets pissed day after day when he gets asked the same questions. If you said more than "I don't know" you probably wouldn't be prodded every time you step to the podium. Again, it may not be him directly and could definitely be PR in his ear, but it just feels like none of this had to come to this point.
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Seems to me he’s been given a gag order. He was talking a couple weeks ago then he clams up completely. Whether that’s just him or coming from above it has definitely changed.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Probably. Of course it's Eric's ass on the line entirely if he signs a lucrative extension to a QB that proves to be unreliable and doesn't win more playoff games. He'll survive until late in the contract but not longer than that.

Its certainly in everyone's best interest to sign an extension. But it's not in either of their best interests to cave to whatever the other party wants in negotiations. Either there's a middle to be found or not at all.
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And that I can agree with. Don't think they're going fully guaranteed and that's fine by me. If Lamar is dead set on that, then that's a much bigger problem that's going to be very hard to overcome. I would be very surprised if there isn't a guaranteed sum out there that gets this done though.
 
Simba said:
And that I can agree with. Don't think they're going fully guaranteed and that's fine by me. If Lamar is dead set on that, then that's a much bigger problem that's going to be very hard to overcome. I would be very surprised if there isn't a guaranteed sum out there that gets this done though.
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Does anybody even know whether Lamar was asking for a fully guaranteed deal?
 
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