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Lamar Jackson

Thezone27 said:
so he should try to avoid a tag, which means he should agree to a contract.
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If I was Lamar I would want a deal now. Just think if lets say he hurt is ankle and missed 2-3 games. That really hurts his value and teams will be convinced he is injury prone. Three years in a row is a very good sample size
 
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Thezone27 said:
Gregg Rosenthal is wrong. Guaranteed contracts like the Watson deal should not happen. It's not a good think that they happen. Especially for people like Watson. I understand where Lamar is coming from, but the Ravens FO SHOULD NOT fully guarantee a huge deal. It is pretty much the same amount of guarantee earned if they half guarantee the first 3 years and fully guarantee the last.
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Guaranteed contracts absolutely should happen. Owners already get years of cheap, below market value service from rookie contracts, they have a fixed salary cap and two years of franchise tags to help hold salaries down and they get to keep players who vastly overperform their contracts. Yet if players get hurt or underperform, owners get to cut them while still keeping some of the money.

It would only be fair for players to at least get the full amount they signed for, like they do in every other sport.
 
QtR Nevermore said:
Guaranteed contracts absolutely should happen. Owners already get years of cheap, below market value service from rookie contracts, they have a fixed salary cap and two years of franchise tags to help hold salaries down and they get to keep players who vastly overperform their contracts. Yet if players get hurt or underperform, owners get to cut them while still keeping some of the money.

It would only be fair for players to at least get the full amount they signed for, like they do in every other sport.
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I mean that's fine, but Owners aren't going to absorb risks that they don't have to. If they went with fully gtd contracts, the contract lengths would be much shorter (i.e. most players would never see beyond a 2-3 year deal) and there's a zero % chance the Owners would do it without mitigating that risk, i.e. giving the players a small piece of the Revenue pie.

Other sports are OK comparisons, but those sports also generally have longer average careers and less injury risk than the NFL. Not to mention that, in those sports, especially true of the NBA, the high-end players dominate the earnings pool proportionately more than the bottom-end earners do, and so the majority of NFL players would end up making less $ overall.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
I mean that's fine, but Owners aren't going to absorb risks that they don't have to. If they went with fully gtd contracts, the contract lengths would be much shorter (i.e. most players would never see beyond a 2-3 year deal) and there's a zero % chance the Owners would do it without mitigating that risk, i.e. giving the players a small piece of the Revenue pie.

Other sports are OK comparisons, but those sports also generally have longer average careers and less injury risk than the NFL. Not to mention that, in those sports, especially true of the NBA, the high-end players dominate the earnings pool proportionately more than the bottom-end earners do, and so the majority of NFL players would end up making less $ overall.
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NFL owners get a really sweet deal compared to other sports because the NFLPA is weak and bends over in every negotiation.

Shorter average careers and higher injury risk is exactly why the players should fight for fully guaranteed deals, rather than an argument against them.

I don't like the way the NFLPA is using Lamar as a tool to achieve their aim, I think it's another sign of their weakness, but if they called a players strike to remove some of the tools the owners use to hold down salaries I'd fully support them. (Even though I'd also hate it as a football fan.)
 
QtR Nevermore said:
Guaranteed contracts absolutely should happen. Owners already get years of cheap, below market value service from rookie contracts, they have a fixed salary cap and two years of franchise tags to help hold salaries down and they get to keep players who vastly overperform their contracts. Yet if players get hurt or underperform, owners get to cut them while still keeping some of the money.

It would only be fair for players to at least get the full amount they signed for, like they do in every other sport.
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I wish I could get a guaranteed contract in the business world. If I get injured or underperform I would still get paid!
 
ravenslord said:
I wish I could get a guaranteed contract in the business world. If I get injured or underperform I would still get paid!
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In a unionised job you might. I don't know about the US, but in the UK, after a certain length of service, you are kind of protected unless you have committed sackable offenses.
 
QtR Nevermore said:
In a unionised job you might. I don't know about the US, but in the UK, after a certain length of service, you are kind of protected unless you have committed sackable offenses.
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Yeah I guess i depends on the job but it certainly would ot be a 100 % guaranteed amount. LIkely much much less.
 
QtR Nevermore said:
NFL owners get a really sweet deal compared to other sports because the NFLPA is weak and bends over in every negotiation.

Shorter average careers and higher injury risk is exactly why the players should fight for fully guaranteed deals, rather than an argument against them.

I don't like the way the NFLPA is using Lamar as a tool to achieve their aim, I think it's another sign of their weakness, but if they called a players strike to remove some of the tools the owners use to hold down salaries I'd fully support them. (Even though I'd also hate it as a football fan.)
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Right but my point is that the majority of NFL player careers aren't long enough to be concerned with gtd contracts, because the contract length would be shorter and it would mean overall less $.

NFLPA caves because the players need revenue a lot more than the Owners do. Owners will have means to make money (aka replacement players) if a work stoppage lasted a long time. Players don't.
 
QtR Nevermore said:
Guaranteed contracts absolutely should happen. Owners already get years of cheap, below market value service from rookie contracts, they have a fixed salary cap and two years of franchise tags to help hold salaries down and they get to keep players who vastly overperform their contracts. Yet if players get hurt or underperform, owners get to cut them while still keeping some of the money.

It would only be fair for players to at least get the full amount they signed for, like they do in every other sport.
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go join the NFLPA
 
QtR Nevermore said:
Guaranteed contracts absolutely should happen. Owners already get years of cheap, below market value service from rookie contracts, they have a fixed salary cap and two years of franchise tags to help hold salaries down and they get to keep players who vastly overperform their contracts. Yet if players get hurt or underperform, owners get to cut them while still keeping some of the money.

It would only be fair for players to at least get the full amount they signed for, like they do in every other sport.
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there needs to be give and take if fully guaranteed contracts and under the current CBA, it would not work for all players.

In regards to your 2nd statement regarding the other sports where they get what they signed for. Those sports don't have a hard salary cap.
 
RavensMania said:
there needs to be give and take if fully guaranteed contracts and under the current CBA, it would not work for all players.

In regards to your 2nd statement regarding the other sports where they get what they signed for. Those sports don't have a hard salary cap.
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The salary cap is great for competitiveness but it's even better for the owners because it holds down salaries.

Fully guaranteed contracts for all would wreck the current CBA. My main criticism of the NFLPA is that they lose every single CBA negotiation.
 
Thezone27 said:
go join the NFLPA
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Keep siding with the billionaire owners rather than the players who entertain you.

Those 32 people, over half of whom inherited their team or their wealth, clearly deserve to get 50% of the entire revenue of the sport. They must be incredible athletes.
 

QtR Nevermore said:
NFL owners get a really sweet deal compared to other sports because the NFLPA is weak and bends over in every negotiation.

Shorter average careers and higher injury risk is exactly why the players should fight for fully guaranteed deals, rather than an argument against them.

I don't like the way the NFLPA is using Lamar as a tool to achieve their aim, I think it's another sign of their weakness, but if they called a players strike to remove some of the tools the owners use to hold down salaries I'd fully support them. (Even though I'd also hate it as a football fan.)
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QtR Nevermore said:
Keep siding with the billionaire owners rather than the players who entertain you.

Those 32 people, over half of whom inherited their team or their wealth, clearly deserve to get 50% of the entire revenue of the sport. They must be incredible athletes.
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I side with the franchise, not the owner.
 
QtR Nevermore said:
The salary cap is great for competitiveness but it's even better for the owners because it holds down salaries.

Fully guaranteed contracts for all would wreck the current CBA. My main criticism of the NFLPA is that they lose every single CBA negotiation.
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RMC is right there would be shorter contracts since the NFL is the most dangerous sport. Signing bonuses would become nil except for maybe the real elite and man those bonuses are nice. Also 53 men on a team. Lot of contracts.

I agree the leadership of the NFLPA sucks but the players elect their leadership.
 
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