JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
I mean tbf all it takes is a good year of drafting and FA, staying healthy, and landing a qb. That’s asking a whole lot though
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Lamar Jackson
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airconteka
MVP
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QtR Nevermore
Pro Bowler
The next time Mike Sando says anything positive about a black quarterback will be the first. When I first noticed the pattern, I thought it was probably coinicidence, but in the 3 years since, whenever I've read or listened to him, he's consistently been critical of black QBs and forgiving of white ones.
Of course he doesn't feel any team will trade for Lamar, and that he needs a Roman style offense to succeed. He'd say the same about Hurts before telling you Fields is terrible and Gino's over-rated etc.
Ellicottraven
Ravens Ring of Honor
He is the punkiest of all punks out there that hates Lamar Jackson and belittles him every chance he gets. Jeremy Fowler's identical twin.
QtR Nevermore
Pro Bowler
Not just Lamar. He still has the mindset that black QBs lack 'leadership' 'intangibles' and all the other code words.
I'd be shocked if they didn't use the exclusive, but Sando is far from the first to mention the possibility. Overall, feel like it's less an indictment on Lamar's trade value and more on the side of him probably not getting the contract offer that he wants.
allblackraven
Hall of Famer
I can't wait for our boy to sign a big deal, so at lest those who laugh at your response and others who find Lamar's main issue is "intelligence" can choke and go cry in the corner.
QtR Nevermore
Pro Bowler
It's a big story, so every possibility will be discussed but it's still very much a minority view that Lamar won't get everything he wants.
This, from Gregg Rosenthal, is how I see the situation
"Ravens execs clearly don't like the precedent that was set by the Browns when they fully guaranteed Deshaun Watson's $230 million contract. Kyler Murray received $160 million in guarantees from the Cardinals. Jackson is obviously a superior player to both and should expect nothing less. If certain NFL franchises don't want to guarantee contracts for their best players, maybe it's time they let those superstars go to teams that will. Every other major American sport provides guaranteed deals, even for role players. The Ravens are poised to use the exclusive tag on Jackson because they know other teams would give up first-round picks and a guaranteed contract to get the 2019 MVP. So he's absolutely right to stand his ground."
rmcjacket23
Ravens Ring of Honor
While I actually love the idea of letting the market actually dictate his price tag and then the Ravens having a shot to react, the reality is that any smart time is going to offer two 1st rounders, and then put a big, big, big cap number out there in year 1 to make it extremely difficult for the Ravens to meet the price.
Like realistically, the Falcons could come in so that the year 1 cap hit is $60M. They have $56.4M in cap space, so they could afford to do it, and they'd basically just deal with being mediocre this year, and his cap hits would actually go down in future years, while the cap goes up.
Teams like the Falcons, Giants, Texans and probably even Seattle could easily structure things so that Lamar would count $50M+ against the cap in year 1, and Ravens wouldn't be able to match. And I think all of those teams would gladly do that for just two first round picks.
Thezone27
Ravens Ring of Honor
And they really shouldn't be
Thezone27
Ravens Ring of Honor
Gregg Rosenthal is wrong. Guaranteed contracts like the Watson deal should not happen. It's not a good think that they happen. Especially for people like Watson. I understand where Lamar is coming from, but the Ravens FO
drjohnnyfever
Pro Bowler
And the part that no one really wants to talk about is that in reality Lamar holds all the cards. He can choose the big payday of the franchise tag for this year and next and keep us over the proverbial barrel on the cap while collecting close to what he'd likely get in a long term deal as yearly pay, but then there's the "commitment" thing, too. If he's only on the Tag what commitment has the team demonstrated to him? So he remains de-incentivized to play with any kind of injury.
Knowing the Ravens and how they've let stars walk for their cash-in contracts in the past, I just don't think this is any different with Lamar, except that he's too valuable to just let go. So for me the writing is still on the wall that he is going to prove too expensive for a thrifty club like us..
rmcjacket23
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I think by far the least likely scenario is Lamar plays two years under the tag as a Raven. By March 2024, if there's no long term deal, they'll tag and trade.
I agree he has no incentive to play with an injury, but another year of injury concerns are going to impact how other teams view him and what they'll pay him.
ravenslord
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So maybe Lamar does have more of an incentive now to come to the table with the Ravens. A third straight year of missing time due to injury,should it happen, would reduce his value considerably.
Thezone27
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so he should try to avoid a tag, which means he should agree to a contract.
ravenslord
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If I was Lamar I would want a deal now. Just think if lets say he hurt is ankle and missed 2-3 games. That really hurts his value and teams will be convinced he is injury prone. Three years in a row is a very good sample size
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Thezone27
Ravens Ring of Honor
yeah. and this is why he needs a- drumroll please- AGENT!!!
95% of stats are made up
drjohnnyfever
Pro Bowler
There are lies, damn lies, and statistics!