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Lamar Jackson

rmcjacket23 said:
Pretty much. I think the time to take this "stance" was 2022, which they did.
Problem is the NFLPA is now figuring out that there aren't other Owners like Haslam, and that this little "power play" is going to backfire, i.e. he isn't going to get the compensation he or the NFLPA wants.

My only question is... what's the NFLPA's move when it doesn't happen? Is the move just to have him play for $72M over the next two years and then hit UFA and pray like hell that there is another super desperate team out there that will give him whatever he wants?

I mean if that's the case so be it. My suspicion is the best case scenario for the NFLPA now is to ask Lamar to play out the full 7 years at below market value, let him hit FA in 2025, and then he'll just have to accept whatever the best offer is, and that'll be that.

Basically the "grand plan" is crumbling. And they know it.
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Just for the sake of conversation, if you were in EDC's shoes, what would your offer be to Lamar in terms of AAV and total guarantees?

This goes for anyone else who wants to answer the question too. I ain't gonna lie, I'm kinda stumped on this one.
 
Dom McRaven said:
Just for the sake of conversation, if you were in EDC's shoes, what would your offer be to Lamar in terms of AAV and total guarantees?

This goes for anyone else who wants to answer the question too. I ain't gonna lie, I'm kinda stumped on this one.
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I'd take the reported number, and probably up the gtd at signing to around $150M. Other than that, I wouldn't change a thing.

So 5/250, 150 gtd at signing, probably 180-200 in rolling guarantees.

And I think Lamar turns that deal down, and has a very difficult time explaining why other than "because Deshaun got more".
 
rmcjacket23 said:
I mean... have you looked around? You really think poor people are sympathetic towards rich people who are bitching about $ of literally any kind?

Like go ask any non-sports-fan what they think about a pro-athlete holding out from a $32M annual salary, or turning down an offer of $133M over three years. Guaranteed "sympathy" won't be the response you get in about 99% of the people you ask.

The only people sympathetic are the one's who understand the business side of the sport, which is a very small % of the population. And even some of them aren't.

The guy making $10/hour doesn't think there's a difference between the millionaire or the billionaire. All he thinks is they're both overpaid, and that he's underpaid. There's no deviation.
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You can be poor and not have a poor mindset though. Plenty of people arent even close to being rich financially yet they still dnt think that way that youre mentioning. You maybe assuming that everyone is so small minded because of the type of people you deal with, but thats not case all the time. Its some insightful unfortunate people out here in this world
 
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Tank said:
I don’t think you have to be in a miserable state of mind to not be sympathetic towards Lamar’s situation. I mean think about it. Dude made $23 mil. last year, apparently turned down a 5 year extension with $175 mil. guaranteed regardless of injury. $200 mil. guaranteed if he’s on the roster 5 days into the 2026 league year.

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More details emerge on the multi-year contract Lamar Jackson was offered

Jackson chimes in and both ESPN’s Adam Schefter and NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport confirm the potential contract
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It dnt matter if he made 500 billion though..its easy to be understanding of his situation regardless if you believe he does deserve it or not. He just feels like he deserves more money than what he was offered and i feel him on that. I mean he a bitch if he leaves lmao but id still understand why. I wont be one of those people that gets mad about an already rich person holding out because he want more riches type dudes.
 
Deebo813 said:
It dnt matter if he made 500 billion though..its easy to be understanding of his situation regardless if you believe he does deserve it or not. He just feels like he deserves more money than what he was offered and i feel him on that. I mean he a bitch if he leaves lmao but id still understand why. I wont be one of those people that gets mad about an already rich person holding out because he want more riches type dudes.
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Problem is his feelings are wrong, he’s over valuing himself and someone needs to get him straight. The longer he waits the more money he is losing. For me it’s not a matter of being mad about him making the money or maybe leaving, it’s about him fkn up the team dragging this thing out.
 
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Deebo813 said:
It dnt matter if he made 500 billion though..its easy to be understanding of his situation regardless if you believe he does deserve it or not. He just feels like he deserves more money than what he was offered and i feel him on that. I mean he a bitch if he leaves lmao but id still understand why. I wont be one of those people that gets mad about an already rich person holding out because he want more riches type dudes.
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I don't blame a guy for trying to get what he feels he deserves. I'll always support the players in that regard. The issue here though is that literally no one is willing to give him what he wants. So where do you draw the line? Do you continue to just hope one of those offers come in, or do you take the fuck ton of money you've been offered already?

At the end of the day, this is proof that the Ravens had a really good pulse on the market while Lamar and his team did not, which is tied almost exclusively to his lack of agent.
 
Simba said:
I don't blame a guy for trying to get what he feels he deserves. I'll always support the players in that regard. The issue here though is that literally no one is willing to give him what he wants. So where do you draw the line? Do you continue to just hope one of those offers come in, or do you take the fuck ton of money you've been offered already?

At the end of the day, this is proof that the Ravens had a really good pulse on the market while Lamar and his team did not, which is tied almost exclusively to his lack of agent.
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It has to be getting to a point of humiliation for him. How does he give in and save face at the same time? It’s really getting to the point of surreal. It’s fugly man.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Why would they pay him fast when they have him under control for $32M this year?
He doesn't have the balls to sit out. And if he manages to find them, its not like fans are exactly going to be sympathetic to a pro-athlete refusing to play for $32M.

You think guys making $10/hour are going to be like "yeah Lamar, hold out for that shit"... lol. Not a chance in hell. He'll get eviscerated by the public for that. Especially after turning down $133M fully gtd too.

And what's clear now is that Lamar very, very, very much cares about his perception.
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You're probably right but I really dislike that mentality. The relationship between athletes and team owners and their league is pretty similar to the average worker and their corporation. For every dollar Mahomes and other top end players get the owners and Goodell are getting far, far more despite the player being the one that creates that money.

Also we shouldn't put athletes on the same level of rich or even close to the level of rich as the owners. And we shouldn't see their negotiations as just rich people arguing. Even if Lamar got everything he wanted he would still be closer to being broke than he ever will to having Biscotti's level of money and influence. There's a gigantic difference between even the richest player and the poorest owner.
 
Simba said:
I don't blame a guy for trying to get what he feels he deserves. I'll always support the players in that regard. The issue here though is that literally no one is willing to give him what he wants. So where do you draw the line? Do you continue to just hope one of those offers come in, or do you take the fuck ton of money you've been offered already?

At the end of the day, this is proof that the Ravens had a really good pulse on the market while Lamar and his team did not, which is tied almost exclusively to his lack of agent.
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I disagree. If Lamar was just a free agent he likely would get some team giving him very close to what he wants. It's more about having to do a contract the Ravens won't match and two first round picks on top of that.
 
RaineV1 said:
I disagree. If Lamar was just a free agent he likely would get some team giving him very close to what he wants. It's more about having to do a contract the Ravens won't match and two first round picks on top of that.
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But he’s still 2 years away from that and there’s some major risk that he won’t get that huge deal at all if he goes that route. Someone would almost surely give him the money today, but if he goes out there and gets hurt again or puts together a couple of iffy years, he shot himself in the foot.

Guy could have signed for a bag a year or two ago. His contract would have had to be redone in another year or two. He can’t keep waiting.

He played this off-season like the big offer was going to come elsewhere and force the Ravens to match or move on. So far, the only loser here is Lamar. And he knows that. That’s why his team is making the moves they are now. They were expecting a bidding war for his services, and they have none. They completely misplayed the market and are getting into damage control levels.
 
Tank said:
Problem is his feelings are wrong, he’s over valuing himself and someone needs to get him straight. The longer he waits the more money he is losing. For me it’s not a matter of being mad about him making the money or maybe leaving, it’s about him fkn up the team dragging this thing out.
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I cant really say he is overvaluing himself till later on.. when flacco got his contract, he 100% deserved that mf but after like 2-3yrs, he was a bit overpaid
 
Simba said:
I don't blame a guy for trying to get what he feels he deserves. I'll always support the players in that regard. The issue here though is that literally no one is willing to give him what he wants. So where do you draw the line? Do you continue to just hope one of those offers come in, or do you take the fuck ton of money you've been offered already?

At the end of the day, this is proof that the Ravens had a really good pulse on the market while Lamar and his team did not, which is tied almost exclusively to his lack of agent.
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Im sure he knew but he just believes he is worth more thats all.. i dnt think lamar is that dumb to not know the market value out there.. or maybe he did but was hoping to get better offers from the desperate teams
 
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Deebo813 said:
I cant really say he is overvaluing himself till later on.. when flacco got his contract, he 100% deserved that mf but after like 2-3yrs, he was a bit overpaid
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Uh oh.. you’re saying this to the guy that thinks Flacco is still worth that
 
Deebo813 said:
I cant really say he is overvaluing himself till later on.. when flacco got his contract, he 100% deserved that mf but after like 2-3yrs, he was a bit overpaid
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Yeah Flacco negotiated (through his agent I might add) from a position of strength. Lamar is negotiating from a weakened position. I still believe that any agent worth his salt would have convinced him to take a top 5 deal and be happy, before 2022 season.
 
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