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On the topic of supporting cast-

Teams can definitely do it. The Eagles have paid Saquan, AJ Brown, and Devonte Smith around Jaylen Hurts.

The Dolphins traded for Hill and aggressively drafted Waddle.

The 49ers are probably going to lose Deebo and look to pay Purdy, but they'll still have Kittlen McCaffrey, Aiyuk, Jennings, and Pearsall.

The Lions have an absurdly loaded offensive line, Amon Ra St Brown, and aggressively drafted Gibbs after signing Montgomery.

When Brady signed with TB, they were an embarrassingly loaded offense... and then brought in guys like AB and Gronk on top.

I understand it's an allocation of resources and you have to pick and choose, but the Ravens, when choosing, seem to prioritize the defense more heavily. And it goes past signing their current stars, like Madubuike or Humphrey, but aggressively acquiring Roquan Smith and subsequently signing him to a mega contract, aggressively pursuing Marcus Williams. We don't tend to see that happen for offensive players.

When looking at the Ravens offensive supporting cast as a whole, they're definitely bottom half of the league. The highlight of the Ravens offensive supporting cast is Mark Andrews and he's being tasked with being a blocker fairly frequently because the offensive line is so bad.

Very few teams would happily take what the Ravens have now.
People keep saying yeah but we drafted 1st RD WRs. And they're right but I just can't understand why anyone thinks that matters. It's tied to their performance.

If you draft a bunch of 1st round Kevin Whites, who cares? If you draft a punch of Puka Nacuas no one is gonna care they were late round picks. Those performances win your team games.

Bateman is doing almost nothing overall and may be good for 1 yay play and one boneheaded drop a game.
 
I think it’s a combo of multiple things - very few offensive hits drafting outside of the 1st round, being consistently good and not getting a shot at high draft picks, and a lack of willingness to give up high picks to get premium talent.
So well said. We did not pull the trigger on guys like Ceedee Lamb or Justin Jefferson when those were honestly just obvious.

Also how did we miss on Diggs. I know there were some character things but that is the home grown talent that was still local. We really couldn't get the info to say yeah he's worth a fucking 4th?

We do a lot of really boneheaded consrrvative stuff in place of taking any kind of risk.
 
I think it’s a combo of multiple things - very few offensive hits drafting outside of the 1st round, being consistently good and not getting a shot at high draft picks, and a lack of willingness to give up high picks to get premium talent.
Yes, I agree entirely that the Ravens will rarely be in a position to draft a premium offensive talent, but the lack of aggressiveness is disappointing.
 
Yes, I agree entirely that the Ravens will rarely be in a position to draft a premium offensive talent, but the lack of aggressiveness is disappointing.
I certainly understand the philosophy of taking more swings leading to more hits, but they seem very risk averse. Yeah you might miss on a Mark Andrews if you trade picks but you also might miss on a Ben Cleveland or Miles Boykin too. They have this mantra of holding picks but it doesn’t matter much if the picks are shit.
 
So well said. We did not pull the trigger on guys like Ceedee Lamb or Justin Jefferson when those were honestly just obvious.

Also how did we miss on Diggs. I know there were some character things but that is the home grown talent that was still local. We really couldn't get the info to say yeah he's worth a fucking 4th?

We do a lot of really boneheaded consrrvative stuff in place of taking any kind of risk.
It just hurts when you see other teams getting guys like Lamb and Jefferson in the same range where we’ve taken guys like Hollywood, Bateman, and Flowers. Zay clearly looks like the best of the bunch and even he doesn’t attack up to the aforementioned “misses”

I know it’s easy to say in hindsight but like you said, those both felt like very obvious winning picks.
 
It just hurts when you see other teams getting guys like Lamb and Jefferson in the same range where we’ve taken guys like Hollywood, Bateman, and Flowers. Zay clearly looks like the best of the bunch and even he doesn’t attack up to the aforementioned “misses”

I know it’s easy to say in hindsight but like you said, those both felt like very obvious winning picks.
Bateman better break out
 
Just not sure wtf EDC was thinking with the line, the Browns can manipulate the cap to have like $50m in space but we can’t find $6 to pay Zeitler?
He was thinking Coach Joe D was going to mold the young guys into beasts like he had with so many in the past.

Screw the browns.
 
I certainly understand the philosophy of taking more swings leading to more hits, but they seem very risk averse. Yeah you might miss on a Mark Andrews if you trade picks but you also might miss on a Ben Cleveland or Miles Boykin too. They have this mantra of holding picks but it doesn’t matter much if the picks are shit.
But then again it’s not like Andrews is the only example. You got madubuike’s, Travis jones, Isaiah likelys as well. It’s not like we only whiff on round 3 and 4
 
But then again it’s not like Andrews is the only example. You got madubuike’s, Travis jones, Isaiah likelys as well. It’s not like we only whiff on round 3 and 4
I don't disagree. We've certainly got some good players in the mid-late range. Just illustrating that you can be a little more sure theoretically by going to get a premier talent vs. the 50/50 shot with one of those day 2 picks you'd have to give up to get that guy.
 
On the topic of supporting cast-

Teams can definitely do it. The Eagles have paid Saquan, AJ Brown, and Devonte Smith around Jaylen Hurts.

The Dolphins traded for Hill and aggressively drafted Waddle.

The 49ers are probably going to lose Deebo and look to pay Purdy, but they'll still have Kittlen McCaffrey, Aiyuk, Jennings, and Pearsall.

The Lions have an absurdly loaded offensive line, Amon Ra St Brown, and aggressively drafted Gibbs after signing Montgomery.

When Brady signed with TB, they were an embarrassingly loaded offense... and then brought in guys like AB and Gronk on top.

I understand it's an allocation of resources and you have to pick and choose, but the Ravens, when choosing, seem to prioritize the defense more heavily. And it goes past signing their current stars, like Madubuike or Humphrey, but aggressively acquiring Roquan Smith and subsequently signing him to a mega contract, aggressively pursuing Marcus Williams. We don't tend to see that happen for offensive players.

When looking at the Ravens offensive supporting cast as a whole, they're definitely bottom half of the league. The highlight of the Ravens offensive supporting cast is Mark Andrews and he's being tasked with being a blocker fairly frequently because the offensive line is so bad.

Very few teams would happily take what the Ravens have now.
For the 49ers and Lions that's mostly homegrown talent. It's not them going out in free agency and signing or trading for stars. That's the part the Ravens have failed at most of the time.

Also while listing teams how about the Chiefs? The team that let their star WR walk, and are far from loaded at the skill positions outside of Kelce. They haven't been moving up to get WRs or constantly looking for big trades. They just have coaches that get the most out of their players, and can make them look good as a unit.
 
I don't disagree. We've certainly got some good players in the mid-late range. Just illustrating that you can be a little more sure theoretically by going to get a premier talent vs. the 50/50 shot with one of those day 2 picks you'd have to give up to get that guy.
And what happens when that premier talent is a bust? Trading for high draft picks and FA signings are far from a guaranteed hit. The Giants were aggressive in going out to get Kenny Golladay and paid him 72 million to score one TD.
 
I don't disagree. We've certainly got some good players in the mid-late range. Just illustrating that you can be a little more sure theoretically by going to get a premier talent vs. the 50/50 shot with one of those day 2 picks you'd have to give up to get that guy.
Oh I agree. I get the idea behind take all the shots you can because it’ll be hard to sign FAs in the years to come, but yeah shots made at this point will be better than shots missed, and we’re missing more often than not outside of R1, let’s start making more shots on R1/R2 if we can.
 
For the 49ers and Lions that's mostly homegrown talent. It's not them going out in free agency and signing or trading for stars. That's the part the Ravens have failed at most of the time.

Also while listing teams how about the Chiefs? The team that let their star WR walk, and are far from loaded at the skill positions outside of Kelce. They haven't been moving up to get WRs or constantly looking for big trades. They just have coaches that get the most out of their players, and can make them look good as a unit.
I don't disagree that the 49ers have drafted incredibly well, but that's not changing my point-

They are aggressive in keeping their star talent and are aggressive in drafting it. After Deebo in the second, they drafted Aiyuk. With Deebo likely on his way out, they drafted Pearsall, even with Jennings in the wings.

I think Rashee Rice and Isaiah Pacheco are pretty good, but yeah, I think they're a team that isn't loaded at the skill positions, but they have an incredibly good offensive line consistently and maybe the best offensive mind in the NFL currently.

Anyway, neither detracts from my point- other teams are in similar situations and are showing it's possible to have a big QB contract AND prioritize putting great pieces around the QB. Ravens fans seem to be averse to this idea.
 
And what happens when that premier talent is a bust? Trading for high draft picks and FA signings are far from a guaranteed hit. The Giants were aggressive in going out to get Kenny Golladay and paid him 72 million to score one TD.
And that’s a possibility too. Not saying it isn’t. Just saying that we tend to err on the side of caution to the extremes. Maybe a little more aggressive since EDC has taken over.
 
Oh I agree. I get the idea behind take all the shots you can because it’ll be hard to sign FAs in the years to come, but yeah shots made at this point will be better than shots missed, and we’re missing more often than not outside of R1, let’s start making more shots on R1/R2 if we can.
That’s more what I’m getting at. And it doesn’t have to be an always thing either. If there’s a guy you like in the draft or available via trade, go get him. Feel like us being passive in letting the board fall or trying to be cheap has spurned us on the offensive side of the ball in particular.
 
And that’s a possibility too. Not saying it isn’t. Just saying that we tend to err on the side of caution to the extremes. Maybe a little more aggressive since EDC has taken over.
The Ravens way has always been to not mortgage the future for the present. While at times it may look too conservative, it has kept the team competitive year in and year out.

In hindsight, I think they probably regret not paying Kevin Z.. I think if they knew things would occur as they have they would have found a way to keep him.
 
The Ravens way has always been to not mortgage the future for the present. While at times it may look too conservative, it has kept the team competitive year in and year out.

In hindsight, I think they probably regret not paying Kevin Z.. I think if they knew things would occur as they have they would have found a way to keep him.
It's kept them competitive but we've also have not won anything, and that is the issue. I'm not saying that we need to go full Rams and trade the next 20 years of 1st round picks, but there's room to be more aggressive to keep this team from sputtering out like we have so much in the last 5 years. Especially on the offensive side of the ball.
 
It's kept them competitive but we've also have not won anything, and that is the issue. I'm not saying that we need to go full Rams and trade the next 20 years of 1st round picks, but there's room to be more aggressive to keep this team from sputtering out like we have so much in the last 5 years. Especially on the offensive side of the ball.
The problem is that point is past. Last year it was basically impossible to add more cap space and this year, while they can make more, they are right up against it.

You could almost argue that next year will be that painful year where some good players leave and the Ravens have to take a step back for a year before retooling to start the run again. Similar to how the Rams did for a year, or the Bills are doing now (they aren’t a contender this year). Even the Buccs did it, but they got lucky with Baker so it didn’t hurt as much.
 
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