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Lamar Jackson

rossihunter2 said:
but you cant take away the running threat - he's literally a threat to the defence on every single snap and has to be accounted for - that opens up the entire offence

playing qb isnt just about passing to open receivers - our screen game has improved since jackson took over because his ball fakes are better and he leads his receivers better than joe does - our zone read is unstoppable because jackson's ball fakes are great - our OL is getting on blocks better in the running game because defenders are being held by the threat of Lamar's keeper - Lamar's pocket movement is creating more time for receivers to get open

all those things are fundamental parts of playing qb

and he's not a running back and doesn't play like one either
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That's great and all but we played the two worst rushing Ds in the nfl and ATL is 27th in rushing we cant keep doing this once a team shuts it down which it's the NFL it will happen then what we have seen Lamar miss so many throws that are not drink and dunk tosses the last three weeks and everyone wants to praise his throw to mark Andrew's vs the raiders but Mark was wide open he has missed so many easy throws I can think of three to John brown alone just yesterday we will get demolished by good teams with him at the helm period you can see it I hope I'm wrong I really do but it's the truth not that Joe is the person I want to be running the offense if I had a choice we would have an Aaron Rodgers or Tom brady or drew brees but Joe is the best quarterback on this team period I dont mind Lamar being more involved but Joe should start
 
Just like sizzle said he has done great with the offense weve given him to run that's the punch line the offense we have given him to run he said it right there even sizzle knows this wont last
 
RavensFan419 said:
That's great and all but we played the two worst rushing Ds in the nfl and ATL is 27th in rushing we cant keep doing this once a team shuts it down which it's the NFL it will happen then what we have seen Lamar miss so many throws that are not drink and dunk tosses the last three weeks and everyone wants to praise his throw to mark Andrew's vs the raiders but Mark was wide open he has missed so many easy throws I can think of three to John brown alone just yesterday we will get demolished by good teams with him at the helm period you can see it I hope I'm wrong I really do but it's the truth not that Joe is the person I want to be running the offense if I had a choice we would have an Aaron Rodgers or Tom brady or drew brees but Joe is the best quarterback on this team period I dont mind Lamar being more involved but Joe should start
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Exactly. It’s not like we think Joe is perfect or the best in the league. But Lamar is barely getting it done WITH the entire defense looking for him to run and almost all of his pass plays are completions to receivers who are wide open from the defense being focused on the run.

Now that’s great but once the run gets stopped, that’s it. He has to beat them with his arm or he’ll get crazier with his running and that’s not a good long term strategy.
 
RavensFan419 said:
That's great and all but we played the two worst rushing Ds in the nfl and ATL is 27th in rushing we cant keep doing this once a team shuts it down which it's the NFL it will happen then what we have seen Lamar miss so many throws that are not drink and dunk tosses the last three weeks and everyone wants to praise his throw to mark Andrew's vs the raiders but Mark was wide open he has missed so many easy throws I can think of three to John brown alone just yesterday we will get demolished by good teams with him at the helm period you can see it I hope I'm wrong I really do but it's the truth not that Joe is the person I want to be running the offense if I had a choice we would have an Aaron Rodgers or Tom brady or drew brees but Joe is the best quarterback on this team period I dont mind Lamar being more involved but Joe should start
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and a lot of people choose to selectively ignore the 3 great throws he's made to john brown vs the bengals and raiders - the one where he scrambled and then found brown, the one where he gave brown running room to get 25 yards and then the best throw he's made all year on the deep go to brown that was called back by penalty - that was an incredible throw

the 74 yard mark andrews throw was easy yes but what about the throws he's made to andrews on the move the last three weeks for big conversions...
 
3-4ravdef509 said:
Exactly. It’s not like we think Joe is perfect or the best in the league. But Lamar is barely getting it done WITH the entire defense looking for him to run and almost all of his pass plays are completions to receivers who are wide open from the defense being focused on the run.

Now that’s great but once the run gets stopped, that’s it. He has to beat them with his arm or he’ll get crazier with his running and that’s not a good long term strategy.
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that's just not true - he's missed some wide open guys and he's hit some wide open guys - but he's also made tight window throws
 
rossihunter2 said:
and a lot of people choose to selectively ignore the 3 great throws he's made to john brown vs the bengals and raiders - the one where he scrambled and then found brown, the one where he gave brown running room to get 25 yards and then the best throw he's made all year on the deep go to brown that was called back by penalty - that was an incredible throw

the 74 yard mark andrews throw was easy yes but what about the throws he's made to andrews on the move the last three weeks for big conversions...
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dont hype that throw john brown was wide open he just found him and the throw against the raiders john brown had atleast two steps on that guy yeah it was right on him but Joe makes that throw all day along with the two others he missed on John brown yesterday that would've been touchdowns the short slant on third down that Lamar missed john brown was taking that to the house there was no one in front of him
 
rossihunter2 said:
that's just not true - he's missed some wide open guys and he's hit some wide open guys - but he's also made tight window throws
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A handful. I didn’t say he’s without any ability but I don’t see him being able to do that consistently. Joe has a slower delivery and thus isn’t a good screen passer or dink and dunk passer but he’s shown consistently in his career the ability to thread the needle. Honestly Joe’s problem is mainly decision making and footwork, and I don’t think the coaching has ever really tried to address that outside of Kubiak which was his best year surprise surprise
 
RavensFan419 said:
He has made way more bad throws than good throws period
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Well he’s made a low amount of throws that it’s not that clear. But the amount of not wide open beyond 10 yard throws he’s made compared to missed is not great

That’s why I wish we’d get a game or two of 20-30 plus pass attempts with low running. Then I could really know for sure. But with what I have to analyze I’m not optimistic.
 
RavensFan419 said:
dont hype that throw john brown was wide open he just found him and the throw against the raiders john brown had atleast two steps on that guy yeah it was right on him but Joe makes that throw all day along with the two others he missed on John brown yesterday that would've been touchdowns the short slant on third down that Lamar missed john brown was taking that to the house there was no one in front of him
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joe really doesnt have a great deep ball - he's got incredible arm strength but his deep ball accuracy is inconsistent - yes he likely hits brown for the big gainer against the falcons (albeit brown probably isnt that open without the defence keying run) - but he often misses on that exact play to john brown that lamar hit vs the raiders (and in stride too)

and that brown throw against the bengals i hype because of the incredible escape to get in position and then to throw across his body to get it there
 
RavensFan419 said:
That's great and all but we played the two worst rushing Ds in the nfl and ATL is 27th in rushing we cant keep doing this once a team shuts it down which it's the NFL it will happen then what we have seen Lamar miss so many throws that are not drink and dunk tosses the last three weeks and everyone wants to praise his throw to mark Andrew's vs the raiders but Mark was wide open he has missed so many easy throws I can think of three to John brown alone just yesterday we will get demolished by good teams with him at the helm period you can see it I hope I'm wrong I really do but it's the truth not that Joe is the person I want to be running the offense if I had a choice we would have an Aaron Rodgers or Tom brady or drew brees but Joe is the best quarterback on this team period I dont mind Lamar being more involved but Joe should start
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joe may be a better passer than lamar RN, ill give you that, but we arent winning with joe. the system itself is not why the run game is working. its lamar. RG3 showed that yesterday. and what if our gameplan was to run the ball down their throats because they cant stop it. we all knew lamar had to develop more as a passer, you can obviously see him making strides, you can think of three bad ones, and i can think of three good ones. i just saw big ben overthrow a wide open 6'4 reciever last night, multiple times, it happens. lamar needs to develop that chemistry with his WRs ...question would you rather overthrows or interceptions ?
 
3-4ravdef509 said:
Again that’s false pretenses

Would we have been 4-5 with Lamar had he started week 1? Better? Worse? Don’t know. But we faced some really good teams in that stretch. I don’t think Joe starting woukdnhave resulted in losing the last three. Maybe against the Falcons.

Lamar is great in that we have a running game finally and that helps him and the defense and the TOP which is really how we’ve won the last three games. But that doesn’t mean he’s a good quarterback. I expect my quarterbacks to quarterback.

The team might be better with Lamar because against average or bad teams we can dominate with running the ball and good defense. And I’m fine with that but that’s not a testament to Lamar as a quarterback.
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What makes you think we can't beat the Chiefs this Sunday with the style of play that has worked during the last three wins? The Chiefs gave up 170+ yards rushing yesterday to the Raiders and 180+ yards rushing a few games ago to the Broncos. Besides the Steelers game, their defense has really not been able to stop the run this season. I don't see how this game is any different than the Falcons game except it is on the road outside instead of in a dome. The Chiefs have a good offense like Atlanta does with a lot of weapons, but neither team can stop the run. Yes Arrowhead is a tough place to play, but yesterday was the first ever win in Atlanta. The Chiefs gave up 33 points to the Raiders yesterday and won by 7. The week before the Ravens gave up 17 points to The Raiders and won by 17. The Chiefs are going to have their hands full this weekend. Go Ravens!
 
Icy said:
joe may be a better passer than lamar RN, ill give you that, but we arent winning with joe. the system itself is not why the run game is working. its lamar. RG3 showed that yesterday. and what if our gameplan was to run the ball down their throats because they cant stop it. we all knew lamar had to develop more as a passer, you can obviously see him making strides, you can think of three bad ones, and i can think of three good ones. i just saw big ben overthrow a wide open 6'4 reciever last night, multiple times, it happens. lamar needs to develop that chemistry with his WRs ...question would you rather overthrows or interceptions ?
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Yes. Even great quarterbacks miss throws.

Which is why I don’t understand when people call Joe inaccurate when he misses the occasional low completion percentage passes
 
RavensFan419 said:
Just like sizzle said he has done great with the offense weve given him to run that's the punch line the offense we have given him to run he said it right there even sizzle knows this wont last
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the kid was having a hard time calling plays, and they're supposed to throw a whole playbook at him ? nahh, i think they've "given" him a offense he's capable of running efficiently
 
3-4ravdef509 said:
A handful. I didn’t say he’s without any ability but I don’t see him being able to do that consistently. Joe has a slower delivery and thus isn’t a good screen passer or dink and dunk passer but he’s shown consistently in his career the ability to thread the needle. Honestly Joe’s problem is mainly decision making and footwork, and I don’t think the coaching has ever really tried to address that outside of Kubiak which was his best year surprise surprise
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they quite clearly made a concerted effort to address joe's footwork and mechanics overall this year - he looked way better moving and throwing than he did maybe in his whole career tbh

the problem is his decision making has not improved - so often he stares down receivers and lasers in on certain guys without going through his reads
 
rossihunter2 said:
they quite clearly made a concerted effort to address joe's footwork and mechanics overall this year - he looked way better moving and throwing than he did maybe in his whole career tbh

the problem is his decision making has not improved - so often he stares down receivers and lasers in on certain guys without going through his reads
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Yeah but that’s generally when he’s feeling uncomfortable. Earlier in the year I saw him tricking safeties and backers with his eyes. Granted his preplay read of defenses is average too but much of that is also the tools and system you’re given.
 
3-4ravdef509 said:
Yes. Even great quarterbacks miss throws.

Which is why I don’t understand when people call Joe inaccurate when he misses the occasional low completion percentage passes
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accuracy was never joe's problem, going through his reads instead of 3 yd passes to TEs and RBs is joe's problem. Joe cant extend plays like lamar, nor does he put fear in the defense like lamar does. When joe is in, its pin your ears and go get him, he isnt going anywhere, that even puts extra stress on the OL, you cant do that with lamar, he'll burn you
 
3-4ravdef509 said:
Yes. Even great quarterbacks miss throws.

Which is why I don’t understand when people call Joe inaccurate when he misses the occasional low completion percentage passes
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i mean joe is 29th in the league in completion percentage - that's probably why
the only 4 qualifying qbs lower in that metric are 3 rookies (josh allen, josh rosen, sam darnold) and blake bortles
 
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