David Rockefeller
Practice Squad
You had to know it was coming lol
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Lamar Jackson
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allblackraven
Hall of Famer
Typical system quarterback
David Rockefeller
Practice Squad
Typical. With 5 Super Bowl Championships.
definitely unaffiliated given that you two are the only people ive ever seen refer to a specific player with one specific word that has no specific relevance to that player beyond your calling of him that way...
gtfoh martin - you're not fooling anyone
and also general fans on a yahoo comments section are no more impartial than fans on a straight up ravens fan site lol - at least you know which way the bias works (for most people) on this forum
I'm from Europe and I cannot endorse this. I'm sorry. You two are on your own in this one.
cdp
Ravens Ring of Honor
Matt Waldman said on his podcast he doesn't agree with Kolmann's assessment. It was very interesting to hear his stance because he's basically the only analyst who actually likes Lamar. His key statement was: Mahomes played phenomenally because Andy Reid allowed Mahomes to be who he is and didn't restrict him in certain areas i.e ban his crazy baseball-esque throws. However he doesn't think that Harbaugh and Roman are going to take the same approach and as a consequence might hinder Lamar's progression/development.
DeVito52
Ravens Ring of Honor
Hahahahahaha he actually thought he could refer us to “Martin” and everyone not immediately recognize that as himself...
Not only did he say bust out but he also referred to the wonderlic lmao. Couldn’t be more obvious.
It's an interesting take. I personally feel like they're apples and oranges in a lot of respects and therefore require separate approaches. I was huge on Mahomes prior to the draft, thought he was arguably one of the most physically talented players in that entire class. I stumbled onto him when scouting DeAndre Washington in the years prior. The knock on Mahomes was that he was a gunslinger who would take chances when he shouldn't, but I personally had that take as overblown considering that his defense was giving up literally 40 points per game, and he checked all of the right boxes in the pre-draft interviews as his Combine comments immediately addressed knowing that he needed to learn to avoid the risky plays. From a mechanical standpoint, to me personally, I didn't see much of anything that needed significant tweaking in order to translate into immediate success at the next level. I was obviously a fan of Jackson as well prior to the draft given that I drafted him in the first of our annual Forum Mock. But I did feel that there were issues with his footwork and technique that needed addressing, issues that might take a year or two to correct. Allowing him to cut it loose immediately arguably had its cons as well as its pros. I'm personally not against tailoring a system to his skill-set and then expanding the reigns in his second or third seasons as he (hopefully) gets more comfortable.
Ellicottraven
Ravens Ring of Honor
I look at it a little differently about why some players become super stars and others with the same talent level and sometimes with even better talent peter off into oblivion. To me it really comes down to the measure of two things. One is coachability and the desire to want constant improvement with his craft. Two dedication to his craft such that he is the first man in and last man out, is selfless in his work ethic, goes beyond the call of duty and puts in the time to excel in the film room and gym. To me Brady had both of these qualities in abundance (more so than many QBs that have come and gone) and that is why he is largely considered the GOAT. As for Lamar, I think going back to his college the one constant stream of news that has come out is his improvement year on year with everything he does and his humility to accept coaching. He already has this going for him. The second and surely more important attribute he'll have to show year in and year out to become a QB that has the success of a Brady. I believe this kid is going to be special for a long time.
Italian Raven
Veteran
Damn, I tried to pull as much ppl as possible in there just to cover my own weird clothing crush..
Almost did it lol
RayRayRaven
Veteran
Actually, on that board I'm "Barry McKaulkiner" but also find it amazing that someone there held nearly my same views. But don't think that's a coincidence and believe its someone that has likely read my views here. Though have posted those same key points on other boards as well.
Ok the two things are 1. Coachability
2. Dedication
"going back to his college days" Lamar has "humility to accept coaching"!!! The more important attribute Dedication he'll show every year!!!
I'll give him number 2. Number 1 he's gonna have to fight for and I don't believe those are the sole criterion. Good Luck!!!
p.s. He accomplished enough this past year that he can't reasonably be called the original nick I tagged him with and my 'fans' picked up. But I have my new moniker.....hereafter Lamar Jackson is......drum roll please....
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"BALTIMORE BRADY"!!!!
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not only did TB12 have to develop, he was about to be replaced at Michigan.
He’s lost 3, how many QBs can say they have lost 3 SBs.
balfan23
MVP
More ridiculous than trying to deny identity is that the comment thread was being brought up as an impartial critique of Lamar’s potential, thus supporting his point of view.
A national forum on a team like ours that doesn’t have a wide national fan base is always going to draw negativity. Especially in an instance where you Invoke the name Saint Thomas of New England. Now not only will you have the standard Steeler fan bashing but also the Pats faithful to jump into the fray.
Impartial commentary my ass ....
balfan23
MVP
Well it’s a really good system lol
RayRayRaven
Veteran
A "general" Yahoo Sports story was read by general Yahoo Sports readership and commented upon by same. If you read the comments, they were overwhelming negative of Baltimore Brady's chances at remotely accomplishing his goal. (That's being kind, many of them considered the talent and his stated intent hilarious.) Compare and Contrast that forum, with this forum, where roughly 90 percent plus believe Baltimore Brady is taking us to the Superbowl next year!!! and factor which of the two is more "level".
Now, the above clarified, it certainly didn't help that the readers perceived Baltimore Brady as being arrogant and having a grossly overinflated opinion of his own talent, accomplishments and ceiling. He turned the stomachs of the evaluating masses at Yahoo Sports. I don't believe ego is Baltimore Brady's problem however, his primary problem is smarts. He's not smart enough to understand his own manifest deficiencies and not smart enough to be careful with the press. He made some enemies quickly there certainly.
Now, the above clarified, it certainly didn't help that the readers perceived Baltimore Brady as being arrogant and having a grossly overinflated opinion of his own talent, accomplishments and ceiling. He turned the stomachs of the evaluating masses at Yahoo Sports. I don't believe ego is Baltimore Brady's problem however, his primary problem is smarts. He's not smart enough to understand his own manifest deficiencies and not smart enough to be careful with the press. He made some enemies quickly there certainly.
balfan23
MVP
Your "general" Yahoo Sports readership is going to include a vast majority of FANS from other teams who have a vested interested in seeing Lamar fail. So to call their commentary impartial is absurd.
This forum consist of FANS of the Baltimore Ravens and therefore is obviously going to be biased in being optimistic on his potential. Shocker.
The only forum your are going to get anything remotely impartial is via analysts who at least try not to act like FANS. Opinions on him vary as expected but few think he is going to be a "bustout" (whatever the fuck that is) and no one other than you seems to give a flying fuck about what his Wonderlic score was.
Btw, I was reading an article by Tony Lombardi ans it pointed out that Lamar Jackson’s first down accuracy was 68%.