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Lamar Jackson

I think he just believes he is worth more than whatever it is they offered… thats really all to it… people trying to get too deep into this thing like you all mentioned before
I don't know that I have any reason to believe that, mostly because by pretty much both parties accounts, only one of the sides is even engaged in discussions, and it's not Lamar.
It'd be speculative that the Ravens have even exchanged offers at this point. Sounds like it certainly hasn't happened in the last couple of months.
Lamar certainly isn't shy on social media and I seriously doubt that if the Ravens were actually lowballing him, he wouldn't say something.

All indications I've seen so far is that Lamar just straight up isn't interested in signing an extension right now. I'm not sure the terms even matter.
 
All indications I've seen so far is that Lamar just straight up isn't interested in signing an extension right now. I'm not sure the terms even matter.
This is something I just realized recently. I had assumed the Ravens offered a market value contract that Lamar turned down because he thought he could outplay it. The thought that Lamar just doesn't want to negotiate is so strange. I don't think Lamar has malicious intentions, he is just Lamar and different, but still a strange situation. The Ravens want to pay him but he isn't interested right now
 
Idk I get the feeling Lamar doesn't want to be here. He says he does but him not wanting to get a contract done gives me this impression. Maybe he wants to feel worthy of a contract by getting further in the playoffs? Idk I'm just guessing here but like many of you mentioned this is a weird situation.
 
I wish all this stupid speculation and dumb ideas like not paying Lamar would end.

Who the fuck are we going to pay if not the MVP?

100% - which is why whenever someone thinks it's about the ravens hesitating that i just shrug it off because if you don't want to pay lamar then who could ever be worth it?

and if it blows up in your face, who cares, at least you saw it through
 
I personally feel like he's either betting on himself to play better to earn a bigger contract AND/OR he's feeling out how this season goes to decide whether he wants to stay as a Raven or to test his chances in FA.

You gotta think, Hollywood probably planted a Lil seed in his head with his trade.
 
I personally feel like he's either betting on himself to play better to earn a bigger contract AND/OR he's feeling out how this season goes to decide whether he wants to stay as a Raven or request a trade.
I can get on board with this thought process pre Watson deal, but his price wont change much next year if he is looking for the fully guaranteed contract. Of course that's just speculation , he may not be worried about the fully guaranteed contract but I'd imagine he is gunning for it. After all he is a very special talent , so why not reset the QB market/precedent.
You gotta think, Hollywood probably planted a Lil seed in his head with his trade.
I'm sure he is still upset about Hollywood, but i don't think that really plays into the decision. I do wonder though if Lamar is aiming for a larger market like Miami/L.A. Baltimore isn't exactly the mecca for superstar athletes.
 
I can get on board with this thought process pre Watson deal, but his price wont change much next year if he is looking for the fully guaranteed contract. Of course that's just speculation , he may not be worried about the fully guaranteed contract but I'd imagine he is gunning for it. After all he is a very special talent , so why not reset the QB market/precedent.

I'm sure he is still upset about Hollywood, but i don't think that really plays into the decision. I do wonder though if Lamar is aiming for a larger market like Miami/L.A. Baltimore isn't exactly the mecca for superstar athletes.
Like you, I think this is what's happening... a young guy is betting on himself. That's cool. Good for him.

The question is tho, are all the people who think the Watson deal was stupid ready for the Ravens to make an even dumber one? There are those on this board who seem to think that Lamar at any cost is ok. I was never on that team, but I do like Lamar and agree that he's the best QB this franchise has ever had. But when I look at the numbers, I don't think it's feasible to pay him what it's gonna take to keep him.

This year's cap is appx 210M. Watson's cap hit this year is low, but let's assume it is what it is for the rest of his contract - appx 54M. That's 1/4 of the total team's allotment on one player. And that is true for the remaining 4 years of his contract.

I'm no cap expert, but even spreading portions of those numbers over other years and paying more on the back end as the cap grows doesn't do much when you are considering it's a quarter and making it larger in later years means it remains at 1/4 or maybe 1/5 of the total.

Listen, I love Lamar. I do. I'm not afraid to comment on things I think he lacks. I did the same with Joe Flacco and I do remember the horror show of this team trying to find QB's after Dilfer and even during the Flacco years; whose contract is STILL panned as one of the worst ever. But are we willing to do the same thing?

Joe's contract hampered us from acquiring supporting talent and talent in other areas. We know this. Are you all saying that you are willing to dedicate a full 1/4 of the total team Cap to one guy? I'm not. I'm Gandalf on the fucking bridge on that. The whole league panned the guarantee the Brownies gave Watson and you're advocating for doing the same thing?! No, I'm sorry across that bridge you shall not cross!

But why did they do it - the Brownies? They did it because they had the space with a young team and they knew that by fouling us up it negotiating Lamar that they could scare us away from signing a good QB. We thought it was bad when Mahommes signed, it's worse now. The questions were the same then, "Can we do it?" I said maybe. Under these circumstances I say, "Thou shall not pass!" It would cripple the ability to field a continually competitive team.

 
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Like you, I think this is what's happening... a young guy is betting on himself. That's cool. Good for him.

The question is tho, are all the people who think the Watson deal was stupid ready for the Ravens to make an even dumber one? There are those on this board who seem to think that Lamar at any cost is ok. I was never on that team, but I do like Lamar and agree that he's the best QB this franchise has ever had. But when I look at the numbers, I don't think it's feasible to pay him what it's gonna take to keep him.

This year's cap is appx 210M. Watson's cap hit this year is low, but let's assume it is what it is for the rest of his contract - appx 54M. That's 1/4 of the total team's allotment on one player. And that is true for the remaining 4 years of his contract.

I'm no cap expert, but even spreading portions of those numbers over other years and paying more on the back end as the cap grows doesn't do much when you are considering it's a quarter and making it larger in later years means it remains at 1/4 or maybe 1/5 of the total.

Listen, I love Lamar. I do. I'm not afraid to comment on things I think he lacks. I did the same with Joe Flacco and I do remember the horror show of this team trying to find QB's after Dilfer and even during the Flacco years; whose contract is STILL panned as one of the worst ever. But are we willing to do the same thing?

Joe's contract hampered us from acquiring supporting talent and talent in other areas. We know this. Are you all saying that you are willing to dedicate a full 1/4 of the total team Cap to one guy? I'm not. I'm Gandalf on the fucking bridge on that. The whole league panned the guarantee the Brownies gave Watson and you're advocating for doing the same thing?! No, I'm sorry across that bridge you shall not cross!

But why did they do it - the Brownies? They did it because they had the space with a young team and they knew that by fouling us up it negotiating Lamar that they could scare us away from signing a good QB. We thought it was bad when Mahommes signed, it's worse now. The questions were the same then, "Can we do it?" I said maybe. Under these circumstances I say, "Thou shall not pass!" It would cripple the ability to field a continually competitive team.


Well couple thoughts on the cap:
1. It'll almost certainly continue to increase. Most expect in the next 2-3 years you'll see a "boom" in the cap because a) the cap is still somewhat artificially low from the Covid years and b) new TV contracts kicking in at the start of 2023.
So its feasible you'll see $20-30M jumps in the cap year-over-year in the near future. And I think you can tell by NFL contracts that the Owners are already expecting that.
2. Watson's current contract calls for $55M cap hits in 2023-2026. That seems high now, but again, if the cap is $260M in 3-4 years, which it very well could be, that doesn't look that prohibitive at all. Paying 20% of the cap on a QB doesn't really prohibit a team from winning a SB or even competing.
For context, the reigning SB champs spent over $45M in salary cap space on QBs last year.
3. The reason teams don't worry about those large cap hits is because if Watson performs like they expect him to, then they'll just sign him to an extension with a year or two left on his deal, which will allow them to lower the cap hit and just add more years to the deal, spreading it out even further.
Not to mention that his contract is basically all salary, so they have easy restructuring they can do any year they need cap space.

The reality is that players like this, at positions like this, for these kinds of deals, the cap isn't a huge concern. Extensions can be done, restructures can be done, and the position is just so valuable that teams don't care about if the player takes up 15,20, even 25% of the cap.

The only REAL question with Lamar is how much guaranteed money will you give him. And that'll come down to team preference and risk factors. Cap isn't as big of a concern for NFL Owners, because cap isn't real. It's fictitious. It doesn't impact the companies bottom line. Management and especially Ownership would need to consider whether guaranteeing $250M or whatever it would be to come in higher than Watson is an investment they want to make in Lamar.
 

Keep telling people, that he's insanely good. So good, that we have seen nothing like him before. All these other QBs' that even some of our own fans seem to idolize and place over him are just going to look foolish and silly. He is the epitome of Michael Jordan in the NFL. The following 5-8 yrs will prove it to the fans and the world. He'll reach mythic heights in terms of popularity whether he's a Raven or anywhere else because we screwed up and got greedy and didn't pay.
 

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