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Lamar Jackson

rossihunter2 said:
no point having key players instead of a franchise altering MVP QB...
we will not be able to compete in the AFC without an elite QB - we have one now... we're not going to be letting him go
and it's in our interest to pay him before Burrow and Herbert become eligible for extensions in 2023
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So we are in agreement?! Oh my god, the sky is going to fall!!! It might be falling NOW! I have to check. Wait, I'm going outside. Nope. False alarm. Must just be a minor agreement. lol.

I've been saying for a LONG time that it's in our interest to sign him sooner rather than later. It's 3 years on now and it's like I said, more expensive than even throwing something at him back in 2020 that might have seemed out of the ordinary. What I might have underestimated is what we'll get for him if we deal him before his second franchise tag if there's no deal. I have no doubt that EDC will do just that AND find a FA QB after trading him that will be just as functional in our system to continue our competitiveness.
 
drjohnnyfever said:
So we are in agreement?! Oh my god, the sky is going to fall!!! It might be falling NOW! I have to check. Wait, I'm going outside. Nope. False alarm. Must just be a minor agreement. lol.

I've been saying for a LONG time that it's in our interest to sign him sooner rather than later. It's 3 years on now and it's like I said, more expensive than even throwing something at him back in 2020 that might have seemed out of the ordinary. What I might have underestimated is what we'll get for him if we deal him before his second franchise tag if there's no deal. I have no doubt that EDC will do just that AND find a FA QB after trading him that will be just as functional in our system to continue our competitiveness.
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earliest we could have extended him was 2021. I was thinking we should have extended him when Allen got extended.
 
rossihunter2 said:
no point having key players instead of a franchise altering MVP QB...
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This is where you are utterly wrong, my friend, imho. There are always FA QB's available that provide numbers that can HELP to carry an OFF. Football is still a team game and if you can sacrifice an MVP QB for a top 5 DEF, top 10 OFF, and top 10 ST and win a championship or two or three you should go right ahead and pursue that. We could have Russell Wilson right now if we had traded Lamar, who knows. But we'd also have a butt load of draft picks AND Russell Wilson.

Tom Brady was only tops in stats a few times. Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Ben Rothlisburger, Russell Wilson all routinely outperformed him, yet he still won because of other factors LIKE good DEF, good ST, AND KEY players behind him, etc. And don't forget the marginal QB's like Tanneyhill who got there because of their running game or whatever. Trent Dilfer.........

It's almost like you have a fixation on Lamar being the only road to success and Super Bowls for us. When you have a team like we are building, sure you'd like to have Lamar or another guy growing with the system - like Brady did, like Steve McNair, like Steve Young...

We have a growing, young team with a great deal of potential. If Lamar's needs overshadow what's going on with the team, saying goodbye shouldn't hurt anyone's feelings and it would leave us with great potential... similar to the potential that Lamar might provide to another team.

I'd hate to see Lamar go to the highest bidder. He'd play in Washington behind an organization that can't get out of its own way. But if we can't come to an agreement with the guy, I'll happily take all the capital in trading him to continue to build a competitive, dare I say dominant team.
 
drjohnnyfever said:
It's almost like you have a fixation on Lamar being the only road to success and Super Bowls for us. When you have a team like we are building, sure you'd like to have Lamar or another guy growing with the system - like Brady did, like Steve McNair, like Steve Young...
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He is like many fans who relatively recently began rooting for the Ravens. Some great years before Lamar and even Joe. It’s in our best interest to keep Lamar , but certainly don’t over extend yourself for one guy. Lamar is well within his right to make outrageous demands , doesn’t mean we have to meet them. World certainly won’t end
 
RavensMania said:
I've looked into this recently, but not because of Steve B. I was trying to figure out how Mike Brown was going to pay Burrow.
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Free skyline chili for life
 
RavensMania said:
earliest we could have extended him was 2021. I was thinking we should have extended him when Allen got extended.
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...but the point is the earlier the better when you know you have your guy. Reward performance early, even if you have to pay a little more, to engender trust and confidence in each other.

That hasn't happened yet. So what happens, happens. The truth is he is banking on 2019, as he should, but we don't have to while other teams might.
 
drjohnnyfever said:
He's never going to be cheaper than now unless he gets injured and that's not something anyone wants - and it might NOT hurt what he could get that much anyway.

If he does well his price goes up. If he does decently his price still goes up.

I don't know if I agree with what some have said about the Ravens being wiling to ride out two years with him under the franchise tag jut to have him. Maybe one year to attempt to get a contract done, but I have a feeling the club - given OBJunior and Hollywood, that they are just as willing to take a haul in draft capital by trading him if they feel the contract would dismantle or impact keeping more key players on the team.
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He is the team as constructed. He is not the same as Hollywood. Also, remember Hollywood asked to be traded. I doubt Lamar would nor would the Ravens risk alienating a large section of the fanbase for a few million bucks. He brings in far more revenue than they could pay him frankly. Players like him are huge revenue centers and not just cost centers as we fans like to view them. The owners view them appropriately is the hope here.
 
Ellicottraven said:
He is the team as constructed. He is not the same as Hollywood. Also, remember Hollywood asked to be traded. I doubt Lamar would nor would the Ravens risk alienating a large section of the fanbase for a few million bucks. He brings in far more revenue than they could pay him frankly. Players like him are huge revenue centers and not just cost centers as we fans like to view them. The owners view them appropriately is the hope here.
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I generally agree with everything except that he is the team. I fundamentally disagree that one player is the team in any situation or team sport. Even last year, it's impossible to say what we could have done without him if any one or two other guys had not had season ending injuries. Having one starting RB and Stanley not injured, what could that team have done. There was only one loss in the last 6 games that was by more than a field goal. Certainly any of the players on OFF or DEF that were out on IR could have been enough to get us closer still and if none of them had been out, I have a hard time believing we don't win 2-3 out of the 5, 3 point or fewer losses we had.

In fairness, we likely win 2-3 of those 5 losses with Lamar too, but that's my point. There were too many guys out last year, but imo Lamar is not the only reason we didn't win those games. Edwards, Stanley, Dobbins, Peters, or any one of the other 77 guys we had on IR could have made the difference too. It's still a team sport.
 
drjohnnyfever said:
...but the point is the earlier the better when you know you have your guy. Reward performance early, even if you have to pay a little more, to engender trust and confidence in each other.

That hasn't happened yet. So what happens, happens. The truth is he is banking on 2019, as he should, but we don't have to while other teams might.
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It would seem the “early” window has come and gone. I think the Ravens probably have been making offers for the past 2 years but Lamar and his camp have been holding out for more. At this point it looks like Lamar will play out his option year betting that he will have a stellar performance that removes any doubt that he should be paid at the top with guarantees.

And I agree with you in that while Lamar is a key part of the team, the Ravens don’t die as a team if he’s not there. We have assembled an excellent group of young and talented players that will compete for a spot in the tournament regardless.
 
Tank said:
It would seem the “early” window has come and gone. I think the Ravens probably have been making offers for the past 2 years but Lamar and his camp have been holding out for more. At this point it looks like Lamar will play out his option year betting that he will have a stellar performance that removes any doubt that he should be paid at the top with guarantees.

And I agree with you in that while Lamar is a key part of the team, the Ravens don’t die as a team if he’s not there. We have assembled an excellent group of young and talented players that will compete for a spot in the tournament regardless.
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Sorry. They die a slow, painful death if my son isn't leading them to glory.
 
Ellicottraven said:
Well, sadly if one owner finds it as the cost of doing business, the other owners have little choice but to follow suit or lose great players. Believe me, I understand the Ravens' POV, but it doesn't really matter from a player's perspective. If Watson got that money (however idiotic the Browns owner may be), the precedent is established. Either Steve pays up or risks losing perhaps the best offensive weapon this league has seen. He needs to come up with the cash to put in escrow if he wants to run his business like other owners. I'm hoping it gets resolved because Lamar isn't a man that kids. He doesn't complain, but will readily test the market if he is forced to do so.
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People said this when Cousins signed his and it did not happen then either. Murray already showed that the rest of the league is not going to fully guarantee a multi year deal.

Now maybe you could get a team like the Lions or Houston to bite, as making awful decisions is what they do, but no good team will. Instead the good team will trade the player for a mountain of picks, grab a top replacement and be fine for the next 5 years.
 
Deebo813 said:
Just give lamar 4yr 190, all guaranteed
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Up it by 10M and that is exactly what Lamar may want, but I'm willing to bet that the Ravens want him locked up beyond that given the upcoming TV deal and the burgeoning caps after that. The only way they can manage such a debilitating cap hit is to have a few years of cap relief after the TV deal. I am guessing they want a minimum 6-7 yr deal and Lamar wants none of that.
 
It's going to be interesting to see when and how much Lamar final gets paid.
 
Deebo813 said:
Just give lamar 4yr 190, all guaranteed
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He wont accept less money than Watson

5 years 250mil guaranteed should get it done.
 
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