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Lamar Jackson

rmcjacket23 said:
I would imagine there's a basic "framework" or ballpark discussion well ahead of time, but I honestly wouldn't think Steve is really in the details on these types of things.
Cap management Steve probably cares very little, if at all. The reason he'd be in the loop on deals like this is probably for cash flow purposes. Like if Eric wanted to give Lamar a $100M signing bonus, that's kind of critical for Steve to know that. But we're well past the point where he knows like what the AAV range is, what the range is for total payouts, probably even guaranteed money, etc.

But it is a business, and its a gigantic annual cash outlay. The owner is going to want to know specifics about that and plan accordingly. I think we as fans all caught up in salary cap management and all of that, but none of that is relevant to the IRS or to actual shareholders in the business. Cash flow is what matters, and so a business Owner is likely to care significantly more about how his actual bottom line is impacted than how a fictitious salary cap table is presented. And he obviously is aware of how salary caps can be manipulated and what that entails anyway.

Somebody else asked about Stanley and my guess is the QB contract is probably mostly the one that the Owner would be involved with. Like Stanley's contract is big, but it's not THAT big. Stanley's contract is really just a normal-course-of-business contract every team gives to one of its better players.
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Exactly. SB has a cash limit and DaCosta knows the "best and final" the Ravens can offer based on that limit. That amount may shift, but its involves a conversation between the two before it does.
 
BoredMarine13 said:
Exactly. SB has a cash limit and DaCosta knows the "best and final" the Ravens can offer based on that limit. That amount may shift, but its involves a conversation between the two before it does.
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Yeah I mean I don't even know if it's a cash "limit" per say. It's a structure. It's basically like "hey I don't have $100M to pay him this year". Doesn't mean he can't pay him that out over a couple years, and it honestly doesn't even mean they wouldn't just borrow for the cash outlays, as I'm sure most teams do. But obviously, again, the owner of the business wants to know why or if he needs to take out a loan to fund player contracts.

Going back to the salary cap, myself and others sit here and talk about how they can structure a deal to free up cap space this year, make the numbers smaller against the cap until the cap rises substantially, etc. And I'm sure EDC and about a dozen other people are trying to do that too. But the reality is that a) the team wants to defer cap as much as possible, generally and b) the player wants as much money as they can possibly get as quickly as they can get it. So basically bonuses is the only way to make that happen. And bonuses means higher cash outlays for the business and less profitability for that year. If the Owner's OK with that, so be it. Nobodies crying about their inability to make payroll, given their business valuations. But it's still a consideration.

I seriously doubt though that SB is sitting there like "I'm not paying him a dime over $50M in AAV". I doubt he cares about AAV at all really.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:


BIG TALK FROM MAX KELLERMAN
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Exactly. I mentioned it in an earlier post: what incentive do the Ravens have to do it now when he's playing cheaper and they know it's going to cost a ton. I still think there is going to be an issue around paying him when they decide to, tho. Not that they won't, but it's going to take work. More work if we go deep into the Playoffs.
 
drjohnnyfever said:
Exactly. I mentioned it in an earlier post: what incentive do the Ravens have to do it now when he's playing cheaper and they know it's going to cost a ton. I still think there is going to be an issue around paying him when they decide to, tho. Not that they won't, but it's going to take work. More work if we go deep into the Playoffs.
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The main incentive for the Ravens is to plan for 2023. Signing an extension now won't make him significantly cheaper this year obviously, but it will almost certainly put his cap hit for 2023 at something much more manageable than $45M. I would bet in the $30-35M range.

If they get to the end of the season and there's no deal, it's extremely likely that he gets tagged at that point. Once the tag happens, it really starts to hamstring and shape your offseason agenda, namely a) you'll be less likely to shop at the top of the market, and maybe even in the middle of the market, in FA, and b) there will likely be players you may otherwise like to keep, extend, restructure, etc. that will end up getting cut for cheaper options, due to lack of cap flexibility.

I do generally agree that there's really no need to extend now for the sake of cap savings for the current year, but its 100% incentive to reduce his 2023 (and potentially 2024) cap numbers sooner rather than later, so you can shape your offseason.
 


i had assumed the deadline would be today because today was the heavy install day which really feels like the start of the season but it's somewhat positive that he says it's the end of the week - would suggest that the talks themselves have been positive enough to not shut down the process for the year yet
 
allblackraven said:
If nothing's done in next couple of days, I reckon Lamar (maybe) plays on a tag next year but he's not a Raven in 2024.
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Man it's hard to imagine a world where Lamar isn't on the Ravens but this whole ordeal has been unusual so I can't rule anything out
 
drjohnnyfever said:
Exactly. I mentioned it in an earlier post: what incentive do the Ravens have to do it now when he's playing cheaper and they know it's going to cost a ton. I still think there is going to be an issue around paying him when they decide to, tho. Not that they won't, but it's going to take work. More work if we go deep into the Playoffs.
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I just don’t think they are willing to pay anyone more then the value they set, or market value. The Watson deal has thrown a wrench into the mix here, and I believe it’s the guaranteed money that’s holding things up. I would say that the ravens have LESS incentive to get this done, but i‘m sure they would like to get it done and move on from the distractions.
 
I do think the Friday deadline is interesting considering it's artificial. Not that I expect anything to get done, but you know the "best" offers for each side are going to come out Friday at this point. Not that we'll ever actually know, but if the two sides are close, you have to wonder if they keep talking.
 
Simba said:
I do think the Friday deadline is interesting considering it's artificial. Not that I expect anything to get done, but you know the "best" offers for each side are going to come out Friday at this point. Not that we'll ever actually know, but if the two sides are close, you have to wonder if they keep talking.
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Idk if Lamar would do that tbh. Strikes me as a “on principles” kinda guy, as silly as that may be sometimes. Like he wanted it done by now so he’s not even gonna deal with them he’s just gonna go out and play well and cash out a year later, hopefully it’s with us and it’s after a super bowl the same way Joe did. Idc if it hurts the team long term, a super bowl absolutely is worth it. Been through it once and you’re fucking right I’ll do it again lol
 
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