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Lamar Jackson

my stance with Lamar is unchanged from when all this contract stuff started nearly 2 years ago...

maybe it doesnt work... but we've got to see this through - we've never had a player like this at this position, we've got to pay him and find out - can't be left wondering "what if" if we let him go - so dont let him go and find out the "what if"
I concur with this. As you said, we run with this experiment until the wheels come off. Teams like the Colts, Jets, Texans, Commanders, Broncos, Lions, Panthers, and Saints would KILL to find a generational QB like Lamar. I'll take my chances by "overpaying" Lamar with what his contract could be.
 
I concur with this. As you said, we run with this experiment until the wheels come off. Teams like the Colts, Jets, Texans, Commanders, Broncos, Lions, Panthers, and Saints would KILL to find a generational QB like Lamar. I'll take my chances by "overpaying" Lamar with what his contract could be.
The thing is, you can't realistically overpay for Lamar. With him we are winning at the rate we've never seen before. Imagine if he had some weapons, too.
 
The thing is, you can't realistically overpay for Lamar. With him we are winning at the rate we've never seen before. Imagine if he had some weapons, too.

That’s got to be the focus of the offseason

We’ve got the key pieces at each skill position - we’ve got to find another starter at WR and some depth at WR and RB at a minimum

And if we do…
 
After watching a half of Nick Foles , maybe we should just pay Lamar…
 
It’s killing me not knowing Lamar’s real status. Starting to get bad deja vu vibes of that short practice clip of him limping last year. This is beyond a joke that we may have two playoff run opportunities robbed by injury in two straight years
 
If LJ really was pushing for a fully guaranteed contract and that's just not something The Ravens want to do then they probably have to let LJ test the market so he can see his value. Of course they will still need to tag him so they can atleast trade him and get something back in return but a fully guarantee contract just doesn't make sense in this sports league where teams are limited on what they can do spending wise due to the cap.
I’m no cap guru but, the concern(real or not) is we’ll struggle to field a competitive team around him, especially in the later years of the deal. If the Ravens can pay him what he wants while maintaining a talented core than I’m all for it. Even with the injuries the risk is well worth the reward.

If not, then it feels irresponsible to throw out a blank check.
A couple things here:
1. If you tag him, that pretty much takes him finding "market value" off the table, because he won't be able to negotiate with others. You could, theoretically, do a non-exclusive tag and allow other teams to set the contract terms, but you're only getting two 1st round picks if you won't do the contract, and that's not sufficient trade value for Lamar. Plus, it's basically letting another team decide how much and how to structure a deal for Lamar, which is super risky. Would only really work for a team flush with cap space and basically able to structure anything, which we are not.
2. I don't think the concern over a fully GTD contract has anything to do with cap flexibility or roster construction. Frankly, that's an issue regardless. The AAV is going to be what it is (probably at least $48-50M a year), its going to be multi-years (at least 3-4) and the cap hits on the back end will be enormous. BUT, you can manipulate all of that. If he signs a 5 year deal, and the cap hits are huge in years 4-5, then you just do another extension to push the cap further down the road. It's what all teams with a franchise QB do. As long as they're playing well, it will just be extension after extension until they're done.
The fully GTD conversation is about two things... precedent, and risk. The Owners don't want to set the precedent (which maybe the Watson deal did, but it'll probably require 2-3 similar for it to become "the norm") of fully GTD contracts for star players, AND, most importantly, they don't want the financial risk.

Some would argue the risk isn't really that high, which I sort of agree with. But with a fully GTD contract, if there's a catastrophic injury, you're stuck, and if there's severe decline in performance, you're stuck. There's no real way to get out of it.

And we can argue all day long about whether its risky that Lamar would decline quickly or get injured, but Russell Wilson is at least somewhat of an example of a QB that seems to have declined very rapidly, and now the FO is literally counting the years until they can move off that deal. And imagine that happening when you lock a QB into a 4-5 year, fully GTD contract.

Salary cap is important, but cash flow is way more important to the business, since that's how the business is actually evaluated in the real world. And the last thing any Owner wants is a long term commitment towards a declining or non-contributing player (injury) of large amounts of cash flow, with no way of getting out from under it.
 


without Lamar, we don't get to be in this club...
none of these other guys (except Tua) are gonna be going anywhere


That makes no sense. 2017 is 5 years ago, so doesn't that mean all 7 teams have a QB drafted in the first round in the last 5 years?
 


without Lamar, we don't get to be in this club...
none of these other guys (except Tua) are gonna be going anywhere

Feels similar to the early Flacco days. Flacco, Big Ben, Brady, Rivers, Manning… all in the playoffs year after year like clock work.
 
It’s killing me not knowing Lamar’s real status. Starting to get bad deja vu vibes of that short practice clip of him limping last year. This is beyond a joke that we may have two playoff run opportunities robbed by injury in two straight years
Yea , tough from a fans perspective not knowing his return window. We found out last year Lamar wasn’t really close to returning and would not have played week 18 if we made the dance. Hopefully he actually has a chance of playing again this year. Or Maybe Huntley can channel is inner Nick Foles from his magical run
 
Yea , tough from a fans perspective not knowing his return window. We found out last year Lamar wasn’t really close to returning and would not have played week 18 if we made the dance. Hopefully he actually has a chance of playing again this year. Or Maybe Huntley can channel is inner Nick Foles from his magical run
And I just don’t think he can, Foles had some mild success starting at QB, I think he threw 20TDs and 0INTs at one point, Huntley hasn’t come close to that
 
And I just don’t think he can, Foles had some mild success starting at QB, I think he threw 20TDs and 0INTs at one point, Huntley hasn’t come close to that

Foles threw for 27 TDs to 2 INTs back in 2013, his second year in the league
 
That makes no sense. 2017 is 5 years ago, so doesn't that mean all 7 teams have a QB drafted in the first round in the last 5 years?
What doesn't make sense?
Josh Allen, 7th overall, 2018
Patrick Mahomes, 10th overall, 2017
Joe Burrow, 1st overall, 2020
Trevor Lawrence, 1st overall, 2021
Lamar Jackson, 32nd overall, 2018
Justin Herbert, 6th overall, 2020
Tua Tagovailoa, 5th overall, 2020

6/7 in the last five drafts. All 7 in the last six drafts.
Lamar is actually the "outlier". Everybody else was drafted inside the top 10 in the last 6 drafts.
 
What doesn't make sense?
Josh Allen, 7th overall, 2018
Patrick Mahomes, 10th overall, 2017
Joe Burrow, 1st overall, 2020
Trevor Lawrence, 1st overall, 2021
Lamar Jackson, 32nd overall, 2018
Justin Herbert, 6th overall, 2020
Tua Tagovailoa, 5th overall, 2020

6/7 in the last five drafts. All 7 in the last six drafts.
Lamar is actually the "outlier". Everybody else was drafted inside the top 10 in the last 6 drafts.

I was counting years, not drafts. 2017-2022 is 5 years
 
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