airconteka
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I'm prescribing the lot of you miserable pricks 4 hours of listening to 'Dont worry, be happy' continuously. That should sort you out.
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Lamar Jackson
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Ellicottraven
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Adams needs to come to Baltimore if Lamar is extended and if EDC can make room to afford him.
redrum52
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No contract on a bad knee. I don't fault him from a player perspective. Understand the frustration as a fan but.... oh well. Hard to give your all to a team when you feel they damn sure won't do the same for you. It's always a business when a player gets cut but the player's an asshole when they use what leverage they have.
OURavensFan
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At least you’re not on 50 different Bengal circle jerk group texts
ravenslord
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I mean emotionally.Not having fun like his usual self,etc.
BoredMarine13
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Not impossible but very difficult if you went to bring back Ro and Lamar. Not to mention draft capital for the trade
BoredMarine13
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It’s a dangerous game to play if he’s really taking that route. We still don’t know if it’s true . ….He may get a massive contact at the end of the day but you start losing locker rooms. Every misstep then leads to additional scrutiny .
Thezone27
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I copied this from another community, but if trades come into play:
A trade with Houston. Here's my guess. We'd get
2023 picks
- their 1st rounder, first overall. (We'd probably pick Young.)
- their 2nd rounder (Slight chance we could get both their first round picks and if so they keep their second round pick. If we get that second 1st rounder right now that is the 12th overall pick. Quentin Johnston anyone?)
- one of their third rounders or their fourth rounder
2024 picks
- their first rounder. They have two; not sure which we would get.
- their second rounder
- probably one of their two fourth round picks
2025 picks
- their first rounder
- their third rounder (maybe their second round pick)
To be negotiated would be whether we trade some low round draft pick or a player we want to unload and if there are any players they would trade to us that we want. (Chris Moore WR1!!!! LOL but really it is hard to find players on that team that I want-which would mean more draft picks.)
Carolina and Atlanta would bid on Lamar as well so what I have written above is the floor for what trading Lamar would get us. The overall point hereis that there are teams out there, multiple teams, that guaranteed would trade a stupid amount of draft collateral for Lamar.
One more: the Panthers who are on record by their owner as for wanting to fix their QB problem once and for all. Okay then! And advantage in trading with them is that they have players who we would be more interested in-and they would want to trade to us because their cap situation isn't great and they would have to maneuver to get Lamar under the cap. So:
2023 picks
Panthers 1st rounder (right now the 9th overall pick)
One of the Panthers two second round picks
One of the Panthers 2 third round picks
2024 picks
Panthers first rounder
Panthers second rounder
Panthers fifth rounder
2025 picks
First rounder
Third rounder
Players
- First the Panthers won't trade DJ Moore or Brian Burns or Jaycee Horn or Ikem Ekwonu. The rest are available like WRs Terrance Marshall, Laviska Shenault or Shi Smith; Yetur Gross-Matos, Donte Jackson, Derrick Brown,
Again, this is the floor for what Carolina would offer.
for me, I would add Laviska Shenault to the need for Lamar. I would like Houston more, though seeing as we could get Young and potentially Johnston to help Young develop.
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UPennChem
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Do people think someone like Houston would really give up 3 1st rounders including maybe number one overall for Lamar?
Because that becomes very enticing ONLY IF Lamar and the front office continue to not find a suitable solution for both sides.
I'm just so anti the tag for Lamar because once you've done the first, literally how are you going to avoid the second? And by doing that, I'm fairly certain you're just accepting that you won't have a real chance to win a SB for at least 3 but probably more like 4 years.
I just have such a bad feeling about the state of the team if we can't sign Lamar ASAP. This roster is really talented. Just imagine what EDC could do with starting with 6 total first rounders in 3 years with presumably 3 of them being quite high.
We saw what the Jets were able to do. Basically flip their entire team in 1 big draft. And that's without a competent QB.
Because that becomes very enticing ONLY IF Lamar and the front office continue to not find a suitable solution for both sides.
I'm just so anti the tag for Lamar because once you've done the first, literally how are you going to avoid the second? And by doing that, I'm fairly certain you're just accepting that you won't have a real chance to win a SB for at least 3 but probably more like 4 years.
I just have such a bad feeling about the state of the team if we can't sign Lamar ASAP. This roster is really talented. Just imagine what EDC could do with starting with 6 total first rounders in 3 years with presumably 3 of them being quite high.
We saw what the Jets were able to do. Basically flip their entire team in 1 big draft. And that's without a competent QB.
rmcjacket23
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The first part isn't accurate though. Him missing the last month of the year for the second straight year isn't going to raise price. It's going to make it even more difficult for Steve to justify a fully gtd contract (if that's what Lamar is seeking).
rmcjacket23
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Yeah, these picks aren't realistic in my eyes. They don't factor in the idea that a team acquiring him needs to pay him market value immediately.
3 first rounders is fine and a couple additional picks, but like you're talking like 10 total draft picks. That ain't happening in this universe.
Texans for sure won't do that, because there's no possible way they value the #1 overall pick in the draft that low compared to Lamar. Like no matter which QB they take at #1, that QB isn't like 10 high draft picks worse than Lamar.
Whoever came up with these trade scenarios needs to pass the joint immediately.
rmcjacket23
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As reference, Cleveland gave up 3 first rounders, a 3rd and a 4th (and sent a 5th rounder back) for Watson.
Lamar isn't going to be value in a trade much higher than Watson. From a statistical output, winning games, etc. standpoint, they're reasonably comparable. I think Lamar is better, but not materially better.
So in your scenario, you're basically valuing Lamar at 2 second rounders and at least a 3rd rounder higher than Watson. That doesn't make any sense to me at all.
And I'll be honest... if Lamar basically tries to force his way out, I'm not convinced you'll get more, or even as much, as the Browns gave up for Watson. It'll depend on how many suitors you have and what the market is. There aren't going to be like a half dozen teams waiting to meet that price.
rmcjacket23
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1. There is a 0.000001% chance Houston would ever do a deal anything like what he proposed. It makes literally no sense whatsoever. EDC would literally like cream in his pants and be so giddy to accept that offer that I'd be worried the NFL would kill the deal. That's how great that deal is for the Ravens, and how horrible it is for Houston.
There's plenty of scenarios where literally whoever Houston picks at #1 (assuming its a QB) becomes as good, better, or at least comparable to Lamar as a QB. So why would I give up like 8 picks when I can give up nothing and be just as good?
Hell, even if that QB is like 75% as good, that's still a horrible trade for Houston.
2. On the tag... it can be a short term negotiation tool. Like just because we tag him doesn't mean he can't be signed long term. Plenty of people that get tagged sign before the deadline.
The only issue I have with the tag is IF you don't sign him long term, the second tag is pretty much a non-starter for me. Like if you get to March of 2024, and there's no deal, you have to tag and trade him pretty much immediately. You can't risk him walking in 2025 for a 3rd rounder in 2026.
The Tag gives you another year of analysis, and another 6 months of negotiations basically.
And yes, it does hamstring the team's ability to make acquisitions in the offseason. Not severely, but significantly. And both parties will know the reason why that is.
BoredMarine13
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Lol my man I was talking about trading for Devante Admas not Lamar. Loving the idea of giving him Adam’s and Bateman. Longshot but whatever it’s my fantasy
It would cost the Raiders 17m if they traded Adams. Highly unlikely they would be willing to do this.
UPennChem
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Everything you said is correct when generally applied. Like this is totally the right kind of analysis. I'm just flagging that I personally (am only speaking for myself here) don't believe Lamar would use the tag as a time for negotiation. I think Lamar is content to play out on these tags, and maximize his total wealth. Whether that be with the Ravens or not.
EDIT: Also I agree they aren't giving up 8 picks. But I was saying simply 3 first rounders.
why dont you think lamar would negotiate while tagged?