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Lamar Jackson

I'm curious, at what point the Ravens simply throw their hands up on this? Maybe the non-exclusive tag WAS that point... But because he is non-exclusively tagged right now, does the requirement for a trade continue to be two first rounders or at some point does he just become a player making $32M who we can trade for the remainder of the year with trade comps being whatever we can manage to negotiate?
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Well Josh Allen has made a lot more than him to this point. So why hasn't Lamar made more and how is he going to bridge that gap?
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I dnt even know how to respond to this tbh.. lamar wanting more money is understandable but him trying to “ bridge the gap” make it seem like he a pocket watching hater.. we dont do that down here in these parts
 
SaltyDog said:
Definitely will. If Lamar has to play on the tag then I could see them going after Richardson or Levi’s if either one falls closer to their 22 pick. I really don’t see either of those two being ready to start day one.
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I don’t think any of the top guys(Richardson, Young, Levis, or Stroud) reach 22. But if they did and the Ravens selected one talk about awkward. They’d only do that if things were truly broken between themselves and Lamar.
 
Simba said:
Which would be counterintuitive because skipping out on workouts and doing all of that is the exact way you DON'T get the deal you're looking for. Just don't see how it's reasonable for Lamar in that case.
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He hasn’t shown he’s willing to be reasonable yet, so it wouldn’t shock me if he kept it going into the off-season. He’s just young and immature , he needs a good objective figure in his corner.
 
Deebo813 said:
You think this is bad… if we were to trade for lamar it would be much worse
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Nah , Lamar stans would cry for awhile and then eventually move on to his new team. Our organization is sound, might be rough initially but we’d recover just fine
 
BoredMarine13 said:
I don’t think any of the top guys(Richardson, Young, Levis, or Stroud) reach 22. But if they did and the Ravens selected one talk about awkward. They’d only do that if things were truly broken between themselves and Lamar.
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Yes and that’s what I based that comment on. If they can’t get there by draft time, after almost 2 years of negotiations, why should we think they ever will. Someone has to cry uncle soon.

I think it is very possible that either Richardson or Levi could drop to 10-12 or maybe even a bit lower. The ravens would have to do some horse trading to get there though.
 
Dom McRaven said:
IF TRUE, then yeah, these negotiations are gonna last longer than we expect.

I do wonder if y'all think fully guaranteed contracts are gonna be inevitable?
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Are you talking about guarantees for the whole team? The cap wouldn't work. Tags would be out. 1 yr deals would be in for most. Cuts and trades wouldn't work. Replacing injured players? If we're talking about only superstars how could anybody consider that fair. This all has to be brokered during cba talks cuz a whole lot of shit gotta be changed instead of power moves using Lamar as the pawn.

What we got here is Cleveland fucked everything with guarantees at signing going from 124 mil (Wilson's contract) to 230 mil. A 106 million difference!!! That's just insane. If true that the Ravens offered Lamar a 6yr 290 mil with 133 at signing table with another 43 mil guaranteed the following year with him uncuttable that 175 mil guaranteed. That's beyond fair and if I was EDC I'm not raising it a damn penny. In fact I would back off some.

I know you just asking a question but guarantees will not work as the current cba stands and DeMorris Smith is a real ass and probabally has a sore one too from the owners fucking him.
 
SaltyDog said:
Yes and that’s what I based that comment on. If they can’t get there by draft time, after almost 2 years of negotiations, why should we think they ever will. Someone has to cry uncle soon.

I think it is very possible that either Richardson or Levi could drop to 10-12 or maybe even a bit lower. The ravens would have to do some horse trading to get there though.
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If the Ravens don't feel there is a path forward by draft time, I hope they call Indie and get a veteran QB like Bridgewater, he may be the best thats left.
 
Deebo813 said:
I dnt even know how to respond to this tbh.. lamar wanting more money is understandable but him trying to “ bridge the gap” make it seem like he a pocket watching hater.. we dont do that down here in these parts
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lol in what "parts"? You don't think Lamar is pocket watching? lol ain't a day that goes by where he's not.

The point is he could easily be wealthier today than he is. He could have signed a lucrative extension a year or two ago, which would have paid him a lot more $ than he made last year and will likely make this sure. That's how he could be wealthier.

ID is to be first to get the big $, not last. Those who get it first get their second earlier, and their third, etc.
 
Dom McRaven said:
IF TRUE, then yeah, these negotiations are gonna last longer than we expect.

I do wonder if y'all think fully guaranteed contracts are gonna be inevitable?
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Inevitable? Maybe. Short term, probably not.

I think in the near future a small handful of elite QBs could potentially get fully gtd deals. Certainly in the 3-4 year range.

Long term, IF the players ever managed to get fully gtd deals, it would be one of many things that would change. For starters, they'd need to concede several other areas, including % of revenue sharing. I think Owners would be happy to give fully gtd contracts... provided they get a bigger cut of the revenue pool than they do today. So players, in total, would likely have to see a pay decrease in order to make it happen.

The other change would be that you'd pretty much see the end of 4-5 year contracts. Owners just won't give them out. The elite of the elite players would get 3, maybe 4, years of gtd $. Everybody else is signing 1-2 year contracts, tops.
They'd also probably do something different with draft picks, since no way would they do a 4 year, fully gtd contract, for a 7th round pick. They'd either reduce the contract length requirements, or reduce the draft pick $ pool all together.
 
Deebo813 said:
How would he be much wealthier? Im sure he js happy right now as we speak tbh
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IDK, you think he’s happy? I wouldn’t want to go to bed every night thinking about this shiz, especially when I don’t need to.

I think there’s 17 players out of around 2,000 that don’t have an agent, and none have ever tried to do a deal the size of Lamar’s. No question that plays into teams not wanting to get near him, along with the fully guaranteed fantasy someone has sold him, and all of the media crap. Teams don’t want that, including the Ravens.

Gotta hope someone wakes him up, like soon.
 
Tank said:
IDK, you think he’s happy? I wouldn’t want to go to bed every night thinking about this shiz. Especially when I don’t need to.

I think there’s 17 players out of around 2,000 that don’t have an agent, and none have ever tried to do a deal the size of Lamar’s. No question that plays into teams not wanting to get near him, along with the fully guaranteed fantasy someone has sold him, and all of the media crap. Teams don’t want that, including the Ravens.

Gotta hope someone wakes him up, like soon.
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The media circus behind this has been terrible

I would argue it's worse than what happened with Dak.

It just feels like our boy is being used.
 
I see a lot of talk about Jackson being some kind of pawn of the NFLPA, and I *really* don't buy that.

Looking at Jackson's career and the part of his personality we see, the guy seems like someone who walks his own path and (for both good and bad) doesn't change his mind when he's decided on something. Such as the decision to not have an agent, the vaccine stuff, refusing to work out as a WR before the draft.
Therefore, I don't see that the NFLPA would fill his head with stuff that he didn't already belive. Sure, they're cheerleaders since their interest align in this case, but he's not someone who is easily lead in any direction.
 
gtalk12 said:
The media circus behind this has been terrible

I would argue it's worse than what happened with Dak.

It just feels like our boy is being used.
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He is and it's so unfortunate. He's such a likeable guy and a good leader that people want to play with on the field but imo there is some gullibullness that's being preyed on. Really depends on who he is listening to and what advice he is being given. He really needs an agent but maybe he doesn't like the sleeziness of them but really they would be looking out for his best interests since that makes them money and they don't worry about the NFLPA.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Probably because the talking was done weeks or months ago.
Comical to me that the same group of people saying there's no point in Lamar talking to the Ravens because the Ravens already know what he wants and haven't given it to him, also NOW pretend like other teams haven't done the same.
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But if that's true, then why are the Ravens as are being reported, pinching every penny? Why hasn't Lamar already understood he has 0 market whatsoever and already resigned as to not be under market value?
 
marklar said:
I see a lot of talk about Jackson being some kind of pawn of the NFLPA, and I *really* don't buy that.

Looking at Jackson's career and the part of his personality we see, the guy seems like someone who walks his own path and (for both good and bad) doesn't change his mind when he's decided on something. Such as the decision to not have an agent, the vaccine stuff, refusing to work out as a WR before the draft.
Therefore, I don't see that the NFLPA would fill his head with stuff that he didn't already belive. Sure, they're cheerleaders since their interest align in this case, but he's not someone who is easily lead in any direction.
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https://www.si.com/nfl/ravens/news/...kson-contract-extension-fully-guranteed-money


"This is a pivotal moment because right behind Lamar as talented as he is think about the number of quaterbacks coming up right behind him. So literally the weight of whether we move forward on guaranteed contracts is now. You've got the Watson contract that could be bookended Lamar's contract"............Quote from Demorice Smith.

Pawn?
 
marklar said:
I see a lot of talk about Jackson being some kind of pawn of the NFLPA, and I *really* don't buy that.

Looking at Jackson's career and the part of his personality we see, the guy seems like someone who walks his own path and (for both good and bad) doesn't change his mind when he's decided on something. Such as the decision to not have an agent, the vaccine stuff, refusing to work out as a WR before the draft.
Therefore, I don't see that the NFLPA would fill his head with stuff that he didn't already belive. Sure, they're cheerleaders since their interest align in this case, but he's not someone who is easily lead in any direction.
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I agree that this is likely the case. Where the NFLPA becomes the problem is by being his cheerleader for a guaranteed contract. FO's and Owners are being scared away from negotiating anything short of a fully guaranteed contract that eclipses Happy Ending Watson's.
 
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