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Lamar Jackson

Edgar said:
Hypothetically, If Lamar Jackson were to sit out in 2023, Do the ravens Have any sort of rights to him In 2024 is he A free agent Able to sign Where ever he wishes?
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If he sits out, he doesn't earn an accrued season. So the Ravens would still have the ability to tag him next year and the year after. He literally only gets to FA next year if the Ravens allow him to.
 
Edgar said:
Hypothetically, If Lamar Jackson were to sit out in 2023, Do the ravens Have any sort of rights to him In 2024 is he A free agent Able to sign Where ever he wishes?
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I believe Lamar needs to show up by week 9 or 10 to have a accrued season. If he sits out the whole year, it’s like he’s pushing franchise tag year 1 to next year. So if he wants to crank out these 2 back-to-back tags for true free agency, gotta show up mid season.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
A lot of weird hypotheticals in here.
1. Why are they only getting two late first rounders and who is giving it to them?
2. If we get to that point, everybody will know why we're losing, and everybody will know why they didn't keep Lamar. Basically same thing as today. The Lamar slurpers will likely leave the fanbase anyway, and the one's that stay will know the reasons for it and .
This franchise has lost before. It'll lose again. Most fans stayed. Some will leave. No action the Ravens can take will change that.

And if Lamar walks, it won't be because of Eric, because its not really his call. Steve knows this. Eric will get to pick another QB, and then he and John will be evaluated based on how that goes.
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1. They'll get 2 late 1sts because any interested teams with a high pick this year will wait until after the draft to sign him. With Lamar at QB, they're unlikely to be picking before the 20s in the following 2 drafts. Ideas that the Ravens could negotiate higher compensation outwith the tag are just wishful thinking.

2. "Everybody will know why we're losing" and "will understand what the transition to a new QB entails" but when Lamar is on a new team on a contract that won't look much different to the Burrow, Herbert or Hurts deals they might ask why those teams were able to keep their QBs and why the Ravens are needing to start again. I think you're over-estimating the patience of a losing fanbase, especially when the people that put the team in that losing position are still in their jobs.
 
QtR Nevermore said:
1. They'll get 2 late 1sts because any interested teams with a high pick this year will wait until after the draft to sign him. With Lamar at QB, they're unlikely to be picking before the 20s in the following 2 drafts. Ideas that the Ravens could negotiate higher compensation outwith the tag are just wishful thinking.

2. "Everybody will know why we're losing" and "will understand what the transition to a new QB entails" but when Lamar is on a new team on a contract that won't look much different to the Burrow, Herbert or Hurts deals they might ask why those teams were able to keep their QBs and why the Ravens are needing to start again. I think you're over-estimating the patience of a losing fanbase, especially when the people that put the team in that losing position are still in their jobs.
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1. Interested teams with a high pick this year that are trading for Lamar are going to end up giving up more than two first round picks anyway. Not to mention that, depending on the team, Lamar isn't going to be the catalyst to a quick change. If Houston, for example, decides not to take a QB, and trade for Lamar later, they're not going to be a good team this year anyway, so the pick will still be decent. At least top 20, likely top 10-15. All depends on the landing spot.
Realistically, a trade post-draft is unlikely unless a team whiffs in the draft entirely. Said trade is very likely to happen before the draft, or in 2024.
2. Because everybody will know that the reason Lamar didn't sign here was because he didn't want to take the contracts similar to those guys. He wanted more, and couldn't get it. And by the time he realized it, it was too late. Those three guys allowed agents to get them deals timely, and not piss away time on Twitter trolling fans instead of, ya know, calling teams about playing for them.
3. I'm not over-estimating fan patience. I'm under-estimating it. Keep in mind the patience of a fanbase lasts about a month before they start bitching.
The difference is they never move past the bitching phase. The people that are Lamar fans and not Ravens fans aren't going to wait around to see if we're winning or losing anyway. They'll jump ship quick.
People after that will bitch, but they'll still watch, still buy tickets, still buy merch. That's kind of what fans do. They talk the talk, but they don't walk the walk.

We pretty much know this is true by just looking at almost literally every other fanbase. The Jets sell out every game and have a huge TV audience. They've only sucked for decades.
The only franchise I see that has a tangible impact on "lack of patience" is Washington, and it took decades of bad Ownership and incompetence to get to that point.
 
Davesta said:
I believe Lamar needs to show up by week 9 or 10 to have a accrued season. If he sits out the whole year, it’s like he’s pushing franchise tag year 1 to next year. So if he wants to crank out these 2 back-to-back tags for true free agency, gotta show up mid season.
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Well and realistically, the whole "he might sit out half the season" thing isn't real.
For starters, he's not the kind of player that can just roll out of bed and play great QB weekly. We've seen that already. With a new OC and likely new weapons, he'll need at least some preseason to be ready for the season.
So if he actually did that, I doubt the Ravens would actually even play him. They'll have rolled half a year with another QB anyway, so they'd just finish it out. He'd probably be inactive, get paid, and we'd look to trade him in the offseason. Let the market decide what they think about his approach and how it will impact his comp value.
 
Hey Lamar, in case you check these boards, just remember.......

Your Mama said there’ll be days like this
There’ll be days like this, your Mama said.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Mama also said Lamar could get that Watson $.

And, per usual, Mama was wrong agaaaaaain.
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Don’t encourage these practice squad trolls
 
gtalk12 said:
Do you think a Hurts signing affects either Lamar or the Ravens or both?
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Impacts everybody. One or two more of these guys who don't get fully gtd deals, or take deals that aren't for the type of gtd $ that Watson got, and it obliterates any argument Lamar has.

And the argument gets worse depending on who it is. Lamar can't justify getting paid more than Burrow. He could marginally justify Hurts, but not by much.
 
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