BoredMarine13
Ravens Ring of Honor
Truth , Ben was the solidifying force we never had until Flacco. Even after Flacco it was still somewhat rough because Ben always seemed a little better
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Lamar Jackson
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Yes silly me wanting a HoF player to at some point be considered the best at their position or even top 3. I guess you would prefer for QBs the HoF be a participation trophy that says you played a long time so we can pretend you belong in the same club as the all time greats.
Sorry I am not lowering the standard because the player is the face of the franchise. If we honestly took what Ben was a QB and extrapolated it to every other position, we would need to triple the size of the induction class to fit all the HoF players we would have to put in. Sorry I kind of agree with Deion's take that there are too many guys in, or going to be, in the Hall who were just good players and maybe even very good but its not the Hall of Very Good.
QtR Nevermore
Pro Bowler
She didn't put it out as her own reporting. She was just doing her 'Late for Work' thing of passing on what's being said.
QtR Nevermore
Pro Bowler
Top 3, top 5 or whatever shouldn't come down to the arbitrary rankings. Who else is on the list matters. eg. A Top 3/5 ILB right now isn't going to Canton, because it isn't a strong position at the moment. Rapelisberger was 5th behind 3 people who were talked about as maybe the Goat (Brady, Manning, Rodgers) plus Brees, who retired owning almost every single counting stat. 5th behind them might have been 2nd (or even 1st) in another era.
redrum52
Hall of Famer
Yall buggin. This is obvious Stockholm syndrome bullshit.
If Ben is easily first ballot so is Eli Manning...
BoredMarine13
Ravens Ring of Honor
She tweeted a clip of her discussing the subject on a podcast and certainly didn’t deny it. For her to go along with it and then tweet it tells me she thinks it’s legit
Sarah posts anything and everything Ravens related. She simply posted a clip. She wasn't corroborating any reports, nor should she be. She doesn't have that type of access.
SaltyDog
MVP
Your standard is pretty high. He’s #5 all time passing yards, #8 all time passing TD’s, #6 all time playoff victories. He’s top 10 in almost every measurable metric there is for QB’s. He’s a lock to go first ballot. Or I’ll be shocked if he doesn’t.
Victories are not a QB stat anymore than they are a guard stat or a kicker stat.
In terms of numbers, Philip Rivers is 6th in TDs and yards, Matt Ryan is 9th in TDs and 7th in yards and neither one is going to the HoF. The numbers are relative to the era in which the player played and passing numbers are way up. The only reason to argue Ben is in the HoF and the other 2 are not is that Ben got to be carried by the Steelers defense early in his career to more playoff success, because those first 5 years he was not playing well by any metric, but having better teammates, especially in a unit you do not play on, is not a good metric for being a HoF player.
Eli, Russell Wilson, Ben, Stafford, Rivers, and Ryan were great players but they were not HoF players. Being a long reigning franchise QB in the modern NFL means you will have great numbers but HoF is relative to the era in which you played and none of them were standouts in their own era.
redrum52
Hall of Famer
The standards are supposed to be high for the NFL HoF. This isn't the NBA.
Perfectly said. the 5th best qb is far more valuable than the 2nd best player at any position in the NFL.
Ben lead the league in passing yards twice, and the steelers had the most explosive, terrifying offense in the league from 2014-2018
people for years have talked about their "insane ability to develop wrs" - hmmm I wonder if the BEST BACK YARD FOOTBALL player ever had something to do with that.
if you saw captain fat fuck scramble and point downfield, you knew your team was done
redrum52
Hall of Famer
Man. I went back and looked at playoff numbers too. Also at how far he went. You all need to be drug tested. The pieces he had on offense and what success came from it? Gtfoh. Most of yall are throwing the cape on cause of what he did against us and plenty of those games we choked.
5th all time in passing yards
5th all time in completions
8th all time in passing TDS
2 time superbowl winner, 3 time afc champ, 8 AFC north champs, 12 postseason trips
and we can only thank Brady for Ben not having twice the superbowl appearances.
He was streaky during regular seasons which didn't allow him to put up First team all pro annually, but his best ball from 2014-2018 was better than any other qbs.
you need to stop smoking crack if that isn't the headliner of a first ballot hof class.
Oh let me add the greatest throw and catch of all time to win the superbowl.
5th all time in completions
8th all time in passing TDS
2 time superbowl winner, 3 time afc champ, 8 AFC north champs, 12 postseason trips
and we can only thank Brady for Ben not having twice the superbowl appearances.
He was streaky during regular seasons which didn't allow him to put up First team all pro annually, but his best ball from 2014-2018 was better than any other qbs.
you need to stop smoking crack if that isn't the headliner of a first ballot hof class.
Oh let me add the greatest throw and catch of all time to win the superbowl.
the success? 2 superbowl rings and 3 appearances? playing his entire career in the peak of Tom Brady? HAHAHAH
you realize Brees and Rodgers combined for 2 superbowl appearances right
redrum52
Hall of Famer
He didn't do shit for the 1st ring. Man's was a passenger riding in the truck bed. His performance in the 3rd is partially why they lost. He clutched up in the 2nd. I could make a claim Eli is more deserving going off playoff performances. Again most of that success was early and on the back of the defense. Brees and Rodgers were a lot more responsible for their teams success.
redrum52
Hall of Famer
These numbers become more inflated as it becomes easier to pass. And as it did with all the weapons he had what did he get from it?
First ballot my ass
if you want to weigh his success early for his defense thats fair but you have to equal out his prime of 14-18 when his defense let him down. it matches out in the end.
Eli manning won 8 total playoff wins, 4 in both of his playoff runs. ben is the most successful qb not named manning or Brady from 2000-2020.
you literally can not tell the story of the NFL without Ben. and if you googled "most superbowl franchise wins", it was a photo of 7 winning his 6th for a decade
you do realize he made every single one of those weapons and the steelers aren't just magically a time traveler with the list of the best WRS ever right? Who did the steelers add as a free agent in 20 years vs who left
didn't do shit for the first ring...? He turned a 6-10 team into a 14-0 team under his belt barely losing to Brady as a rookie, then lead a 6th seed throw the offs dropping 31 in the wild card and 34 in the afc champ of 275 and 2 Tds. in the actual superbowl ya ill give you that but truck bed is so far from the truth.