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Lamar Jackson

Adreme said:
Its hard to remember stories form awhile ago but if I remember right they did a conversion to lower the cap hits, which is why he is still under contract for 6 more seasons after signing a 6 year extension and was another reason they wanted to get the Lamar extension done last year so that they could do the same thing to his 5th year option. I guess they could have baked void years into the 5th year option but given the current circumstances the organization probably dubbed that a tad too high risk.

I also think Allen's baseline 5th year was larger than Lamar's due to not only draft stock but the 2nd pro bowl but again that part is purely from memory.

Either way they just moved the money around for Allen but did not tear up that 5th year as we can both see he has 6 years under contract currently after signing a 6 year extension
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The 5th year discussion is largely semantics. They don't ignore the year, because the team wants the additional season for team control and cap manipulation.
Similarly, no agent (or even somebody without an agent) would sign an extension that would pay them less in that year than what they were already going to make. So if Lamar was due $23M under the 5th year option, he's not going to sign a contract extension that pays him $15M in that same season. Even if the extension is for more $, higher AAV, etc.

His 5th year option was going to pay him $23M. He got nearly $47M instead.

And yeah, he won't make anything close to that in a season for awhile. "Only" getting $28M this year. $30M next year. But that's pretty standard for all contracts and players. They want more $ now, less $ later. Because if they're below market value later, and performing well, it won't be hard to get a raise.

And I'm not convinced Lamar understands this.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Its an amendment/extension. They don't rip up the old contract. They just modify the old one to add more $ to it, and then add more years.

If they ripped up the whole contract, then the new "extension" years would be the totality of the contract. I've never seen that. If a guy has one year left on his deal, and signs a 3 year extension, he's under contract for 4 years, not 3.

The rest is just finding a way to get them more $ sooner.

That's the premise of the Lamar discussion. He missed the boat on trying to get max guarantees, because he didn't understand that its more important to get as much as you can, as sooner as you can. Standard time value of $.
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Yeah that's literally what I'm saying now. Clarified the language. The years might "stick" but the numbers certainly don't. He's getting back to the negotiating table sooner if he signed a deal 2 years ago is what I'm getting at.
 
Adreme said:
Its hard to remember stories form awhile ago but if I remember right they did a conversion to lower the cap hits, which is why he is still under contract for 6 more seasons after signing a 6 year extension and was another reason they wanted to get the Lamar extension done last year so that they could do the same thing to his 5th year option. I guess they could have baked void years into the 5th year option but given the current circumstances the organization probably dubbed that a tad too high risk.

I also think Allen's baseline 5th year was larger than Lamar's due to not only draft stock but the 2nd pro bowl but again that part is purely from memory.

Either way they just moved the money around for Allen but did not tear up that 5th year as we can both see he has 6 years under contract currently after signing a 6 year extension
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Baker Mayfield's 5th year option was actually less than Lamar's and that is all due to structure of the contract. correct, they didn't tear up the 5th year, but it wasn't used as a 5th year option....which would have been fully guaranteed.
 
RavensMania said:
Baker Mayfield's 5th year option was actually less than Lamar's and that is all due to structure of the contract. correct, they didn't tear up the 5th year, but it wasn't used as a 5th year option....which would have been fully guaranteed.
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It's not about contract structure. 5th year options are tiered based on accomplishments.
Players who make PBs make more $, as well as players who achieve playing time criteria.
This isn't from that season, but it helps show the breakdown;
www.profootballnetwork.com

NFL Fifth-Year Option Tracker 2023: Eligible Players, Salaries, and How It Works

The NFL has announced the fifth-year option salaries for first-round picks in the 2020 NFL Draft. The deadline to exercise the option is May 2.
www.profootballnetwork.com www.profootballnetwork.com
Great examples in there are the four first round QBs from the 2020 draft.
Burrow and Herbert will make the same amount
Tua will make $6.4M less, due to what I imagine is lack of Pro Bowls (and maybe playing time issues)
Jordan Love will make $9.3M less than Burrow or Herbert, despite going in the same round. Obviously he's basically not played.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
It's not about contract structure. 5th year options are tiered based on accomplishments.
Players who make PBs make more $, as well as players who achieve playing time criteria.
This isn't from that season, but it helps show the breakdown;
www.profootballnetwork.com

NFL Fifth-Year Option Tracker 2023: Eligible Players, Salaries, and How It Works

The NFL has announced the fifth-year option salaries for first-round picks in the 2020 NFL Draft. The deadline to exercise the option is May 2.
www.profootballnetwork.com www.profootballnetwork.com
Great examples in there are the four first round QBs from the 2020 draft.
Burrow and Herbert will make the same amount
Tua will make $6.4M less, due to what I imagine is lack of Pro Bowls (and maybe playing time issues)
Jordan Love will make $9.3M less than Burrow or Herbert, despite going in the same round. Obviously he's basically not played.
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appreciate the info
 
rmcjacket23 said:
It's not about contract structure. 5th year options are tiered based on accomplishments.
Players who make PBs make more $, as well as players who achieve playing time criteria.
This isn't from that season, but it helps show the breakdown;
www.profootballnetwork.com

NFL Fifth-Year Option Tracker 2023: Eligible Players, Salaries, and How It Works

The NFL has announced the fifth-year option salaries for first-round picks in the 2020 NFL Draft. The deadline to exercise the option is May 2.
www.profootballnetwork.com www.profootballnetwork.com
Great examples in there are the four first round QBs from the 2020 draft.
Burrow and Herbert will make the same amount
Tua will make $6.4M less, due to what I imagine is lack of Pro Bowls (and maybe playing time issues)
Jordan Love will make $9.3M less than Burrow or Herbert, despite going in the same round. Obviously he's basically not played.
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Yep..i think all you have to do is make like 2 probowls to receive the max.. i believe i remember seeing justin jefferson gonna get the max because of it
 
RaineV1 said:


Sure must be nice to have a QB that negotiates a big, but team friendly deal with the goal of getting another bite after a few years.
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Yea, but then it must be nice to have your team trade for AJ Brown while your QB is still on his rookie deal. Regardless, Hurts is still the richest player in the history of the league lol
 
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Rodgers + 1st + 5th
for
1st + 2nd + 6th + (1st, or maybe a 2nd)

I dunno, if I'm the Jets,I think I would just rather have signed Lamar. It must have just simply come down to Crazy contract demands.
 
Old Bay said:
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Rodgers + 1st + 5th
for
1st + 2nd + 6th + (1st, or maybe a 2nd)

I dunno, if I'm the Jets,I think I would just rather have signed Lamar. It must have just simply come down to Crazy contract demands.
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IMO the deal is good for the Jets.

It's Rodgers, a pick swap (13 to 15), 2nd, and basically a late 1st next year. You already have Rodgers paid. An OC and QB who know each other. If you stay healthy and don't waste your draft you have a damn good chance to compete for a championship.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Lamar would cost way more. Both in trade assets and in $ assets.
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Yeah, as I mentioned, the contract would be way more, but trade assets didn't seem too far off. In this deal they are swapping firsts, swapping a fifth for a sixth, leaving two second round picks, one of which is most likely going to become a first. But yeah, the contracts each quarterback would have are very different. No clue what the Jets cap space is like, so I'm not even sure if they could even afford lamar. It would be funny to see him wind up with the Jets considering how many guys from Baltimore end up there. I wonder if Rogers is going to finally embrace the mentor role for Zach Wilson
 
Old Bay said:
Yeah, as I mentioned, the contract would be way more, but trade assets didn't seem too far off. In this deal they are swapping firsts, swapping a fifth for a sixth, leaving two second round picks, one of which is most likely going to become a first. But yeah, the contracts each quarterback would have are very different. No clue what the Jets cap space is like, so I'm not even sure if they could even afford lamar. It would be funny to see him wind up with the Jets considering how many guys from Baltimore end up there. I wonder if Rogers is going to finally embrace the mentor role for Zach Wilson
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Right but I don't think the Ravens would even entertain trading Lamar today for a 2nd rounder this year and a first next year. They'd get way more than that from anybody.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Right but I don't think the Ravens would even entertain trading Lamar today for a 2nd rounder this year and a first next year. They'd get way more than that from anybody.
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No I agree with you there. Baltimore isn't making that deal. I was thinking from the perspective of the jets. I would rather have Lamar on a long-term deal at the cost of two first round picks than an old Rodgers for a 2nd and 1st ('24). But I guess they are thinking more short-term.
 
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