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The problem is that point is past. Last year it was basically impossible to add more cap space and this year, while they can make more, they are right up against it.

You could almost argue that next year will be that painful year where some good players leave and the Ravens have to take a step back for a year before retooling to start the run again. Similar to how the Rams did for a year, or the Bills are doing now (they aren’t a contender this year). Even the Buccs did it, but they got lucky with Baker so it didn’t hurt as much.
That’s pretty much exactly what everyone has been getting at. They had a window with Lamar on a cheap deal where they could have added talent around him but chose not to.

2020 in particular was egregious. Coming off on MVP season and they think we can just run it back with Hollywood, Snead, Boykin, and a couple of draft picks in Duvernay and a Proche. Their in-season answer to that failure was the corpse of Dez Bryant.
 
The problem is that point is past. Last year it was basically impossible to add more cap space and this year, while they can make more, they are right up against it.

You could almost argue that next year will be that painful year where some good players leave and the Ravens have to take a step back for a year before retooling to start the run again. Similar to how the Rams did for a year, or the Bills are doing now (they aren’t a contender this year). Even the Buccs did it, but they got lucky with Baker so it didn’t hurt as much.
We have this expensive secondary and it couldn’t even stop Minshew
 
It's kept them competitive but we've also have not won anything, and that is the issue. I'm not saying that we need to go full Rams and trade the next 20 years of 1st round picks, but there's room to be more aggressive to keep this team from sputtering out like we have so much in the last 5 years. Especially on the offensive side of the ball.
But why have they sputtered offensively? I don't see the reason being they lacked weapons or a "marquis" player
 
I’m tapped out now lol. I think we have a really well run organization and I’d take us over a significant majority of teams in the league, but that doesn’t mean we’re infallible and exempt from criticism.
Another good one lol! The data are the data. The facts are the facts. We've been competitive for a long time. We've adhered to an MO pretty strictly. Taken together weve been an entertaining but unsuccessful team for over a decade
 
I'm actually shocked how many on here think we lack the necessary talent to win a championship on offense and that LJ is thriving in spite of the lack of talent. Its not been a perfect process, but LJ and the offensive weapons have complimented each other well over the past few years. Big reason we're constantly in the SB discussion.

Also please tell me who your signing in the offseason that EDC failed to get?
 
It's kept them competitive but we've also have not won anything, and that is the issue. I'm not saying that we need to go full Rams and trade the next 20 years of 1st round picks, but there's room to be more aggressive to keep this team from sputtering out like we have so much in the last 5 years. Especially on the offensive side of the ball.
I don't disagree with you, but counterpoint to the winning is its not an EDC issue... Its more coaching and good players failling to play that way we know they are capable of. We've watched Lamar dominate regular seasons followed by some struggles in the post season. Then last year we all watched Harbs/monken get in their own heads during the KC game…. I really think the pieces are there, just need to execute
(coaches and players) and there isn't someone magical offseason piece that fixes that.
 
I don't disagree with you, but counterpoint to the winning is its not an EDC issue... Its more coaching and good players failling to play that way we know they are capable of. We've watched Lamar dominate regular seasons followed by some struggles in the post season. Then last year we all watched Harbs/monken get in their own heads during the KC game…. I really think the pieces are there, just need to execute
(coaches and players) and there isn't someone magical offseason piece that fixes that.
I’ve been pissed with the coaching as much as the next guy but I will never put stuff solely on coaching. The players are out there making the plays (and mistakes). It’s on them too and we have a number of guys on offense in the last few years that have not risen when they needed to most. Same issues happened in the regular season at times - it just wasn’t as magnified because it wasn’t a win or go home situation.
 
I’ve been pissed with the coaching as much as the next guy but I will never put stuff solely on coaching. The players are out there making the plays (and mistakes). It’s on them too and we have a number of guys on offense in the last few years that have not risen when they needed to most. Same issues happened in the regular season at times - it just wasn’t as magnified because it wasn’t a win or go home situation.
This year feels different to me than previous years though. I would say yes Lamar has been inaccurate and has gotten into his head, receivers struggle to find separation/drop balls, and the defense forgot how to tackle in some of those key playoff games.

What I find different this year is the offensive linemen on many plays don't even get their gd hands on who they are supposed to block. Half the line isn't ready to play NFL football and most of them have been on the team for at least a few years now. Lamar is scrambling as soon as he has the ball and he has done extremely well given the circumstances (granted if it continues he won't survive a full season), Henry can't get steam going unless he runs to the edge behind Stanley.

The defensive players aren't even in positions to stop players it feels like more often than not. I'm not going to get mad about a Bowers contested catch or a Davante Adams toe-drag sideline catch. But it felt too dang easy for Gardner Minshew to the move the ball down the field and many times it seemed there wasn't even a player within 10 yards of their best players. It's not like the defense has struggled tackling. Yes there have been a couple blown coverages which I can look away knowing it can be fixed down the line. But how much cap is invested into that secondary for a team like the Raiders to methodically move the ball down the field 15 yards at a time. The pass rush has been incredible to start the year. The Raiders abandoned the run because the front 7 shut it completely down, but knowing the Raiders abandoned the pass completely and the Ravens supposedly top secondary in the league can't stop it with an all pro safety, $14mil/year safety, and a $19.5mil corner.
 
I’ve been pissed with the coaching as much as the next guy but I will never put stuff solely on coaching. The players are out there making the plays (and mistakes). It’s on them too and we have a number of guys on offense in the last few years that have not risen when they needed to most. Same issues happened in the regular season at times - it just wasn’t as magnified because it wasn’t a win or go home situation.
This is fact. Some just haven’t performed well when the real(win or go home) pressure is on. It’s not like anything has been purposefully neglected, or we didn’t have the personnel. We’ve been in position to win it all more often than not, and choked in the tournament.
 
This year feels different to me than previous years though. I would say yes Lamar has been inaccurate and has gotten into his head, receivers struggle to find separation/drop balls, and the defense forgot how to tackle in some of those key playoff games.

What I find different this year is the offensive linemen on many plays don't even get their gd hands on who they are supposed to block. Half the line isn't ready to play NFL football and most of them have been on the team for at least a few years now. Lamar is scrambling as soon as he has the ball and he has done extremely well given the circumstances (granted if it continues he won't survive a full season), Henry can't get steam going unless he runs to the edge behind Stanley.

The defensive players aren't even in positions to stop players it feels like more often than not. I'm not going to get mad about a Bowers contested catch or a Davante Adams toe-drag sideline catch. But it felt too dang easy for Gardner Minshew to the move the ball down the field and many times it seemed there wasn't even a player within 10 yards of their best players. It's not like the defense has struggled tackling. Yes there have been a couple blown coverages which I can look away knowing it can be fixed down the line. But how much cap is invested into that secondary for a team like the Raiders to methodically move the ball down the field 15 yards at a time. The pass rush has been incredible to start the year. The Raiders abandoned the run because the front 7 shut it completely down, but knowing the Raiders abandoned the pass completely and the Ravens supposedly top secondary in the league can't stop it with an all pro safety, $14mil/year safety, and a $19.5mil corner.
What’s crazy to me about that last drive was every play was Bowers or Adams. I saw it in the game thread that he wasn’t even looking to anyone else and yet the coaches missed that.

If I as a lay person can tell the QB is hard focusing those two for the go ahead drive, then the coaches should spot that as well and scheme around it as while Adams is great, Bowers is not yet a top 5 TE so one she able to shut him out.
 


In case anyone needed anymore proof for just how impactful Lamar is on some of these (nominally) OL stats

He literally breaks the stats in terms of being useful metrics of actual performance


Lamar out here making these bum ass lineman look good

If we can just figure out the fucking OL then our offense will be fine, but we'll see if that happens. Can we maybe give Ben Cleveland a shot? Something?

Our defense just looks constantly out of position and it doesn't seem like they're able to make quick adjustments. The DL has been dominant though and fun to watch.
 


In case anyone needed anymore proof for just how impactful Lamar is on some of these (nominally) OL stats

He literally breaks the stats in terms of being useful metrics of actual performance



And this is why I dont just go along with stats and rankings

That said... maybe I'm drunk off spiked purple Kool aid but I believe the team turns this shit around and makes a run. It's EARLY
 
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