I have no faith in duv at all lol.. now bateman is the question mark.. with likely, andrews, bateman and 1 more wr out draft or free agency i think that alone is an improvement from last year depending if todd can utilize them.. i mean we still have the run game and lamar. We arent a pass happy team by any means so its gonna be some unhappy pass catchers if we plan on adding 2+ new wrs…
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2023 WR Thread
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We still need at least 2 guys and really 3 who you’re comfortable starting
And then need some depth you don’t hate when inevitably guys get injured…
Right now we have 2 guy I’m confident in and he’s spent 2 years mostly injured
We need to find at least 2 new guys and at least one of those guys has to be an above average starter
Yea didnt really think about the injuries
if it was just starters then yeah you can grab one and then just maybe wing it given the depth at TE
but...
1) teams can't just ignore depth and
2) teams like to use different personnel and you need at least 3 WRs in the league even if you like to run lots of 2 TE stuff
We probably trade for juedy
depends on the pick we give up
i dont hate it necessarily especially given you can pick up the 5th year option for less than 13m
but we're also so strapped for cap right now
tough not to consider Quentin Johnston a 1st round worthy guy
guys who look like him shouldnt move the way he does and do what he does after the catch - there are questions for sure but think it's tough to look past those traits and qualities he showed on film
UPennChem
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I just can't get over the fact that he doesn't actually play big despite being big, not a nuanced route runner, exclusive body catcher, horrible drop percentage, and he was ranked 22 in production coming from that high flying TCU offense.
I think he's gonna bust horrendously. Maybe I'll be wrong but I see a Kevin White / Breshad Perriman kind of comp for him. Like take Perriman and get rid of some of his straight line speed and replace it with shiftiness and some sudeness and I think you have QJ.
Dom McRaven
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The first two are my #SIIE candidates. I know nothing of Addison.
the kevin white of him scares me for sure
if he was clearcut he'd be going top 10
i think the body catching thing has gone too far the other way now - yes he body catches, but he does play big at the catch-point just doesnt high-point consistently and there are enough examples of hands-catching that it's not like he can't do it - just for some reason has been letting the ball get into his body too often - but he does use his frame and size at the catch-point to box guys out - so you're projecting that he will get better (which is always somewhat of a risk but it's always easier to project when you've got film that backs it up and there's enough that i feel comfortable that it's an area where he can be better)
not a nuanced route runner but has all the physical traits of a vertical nightmare who already has some route running tools at his disposal
and cannot be taken for granted that he's an alien when it comes to YAC - there has never been someone at his size that moves the way he does and creates the way he does with the ball in his hands
he's not a no-risk evaluation which makes him tough to take in the top half of the first round but he has one of the highest ceilings of any prospect in the class regardless of position and he has that baseline YAC ability and vertical threat which feels like it's bankable - guys like that don't make it out of the first round
UPennChem
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Ok so this I think is exactly right. I also forgot to add the last part. I'm still so calloused by the Ravens ability to develop WRs that I think although everything you said right there is just so true, he's not the right the pick for us.
Since Torrey Smith the only WR we've drafted that got any real production out of has been Hollywood. And Hollywood was a no rsik prospect from a talent perspective. Only a risk from a size, injury, and longevity perspective.
Bateman we have a lot of hope for, but again was a sort of no risk prospect from any perspective.
GRo is gone now and maybe he can't hurt us anymore lmao. I'm just praying that the board doesn't fall where we feel like we have to take QJ. I hope someone else does reach on that potential and we get Addison or Flowers.
i mean other than perriman... who's the highly talented WR that we've failed to develop - i get that we've not been able to find any WRs in day 2 or 3 who've caught on but we've gone through multiple WR coaches and schemes since Perriman (who notably did not amount to anything else anywhere else) and still none of these "talented" WRs have emerged or developed which suggests to me that maybe they weren't that good to begin with
i think our issues at WR have been mostly about who we've been picking - we've picked 2 guys ive liked since EDC took over and they were both the 1st rounders - based on my board we overdrafted the other guys we've picked since then
obviously that fear of bust resides within me too with QJ but if we pick him we'll have Greg Lewis and Dubb working with him and those two are proven developers and highly regarded - but if we do take him... it'll be so exciting but until he pays off, like you, I'll have that creeping fear that he'll bust
but also... if he's the top guy remaining at 22 then i'm ready to get hurt again lol
UPennChem
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Yeah it's just really the point that WRs taken in the first round outside of the last 2 have all been bad and any WR not named Torrey Smith taken outside the first have also been bad.
I do think it's probably the case our offense as a whole and the offensive coaching staff is better these days then during those dark offensive times.
If we go QJ, I will like any good Ravens fan hyper focus on his traits and giant upside and root him on to the highest extent. But for now, I am just hoping I get to do that with JSN, Flowers, or Addison.
i mean regarding 1st rounders... Perriman's the only one that actually really matters when we discuss them because the others were so so so long ago that they're not relevant
JSN still my WR1
Flowers still my WR2
but i could go either way with QJ and Addison - would have a lot less fear with an Addison pick but also would maybe be a bit underwhelmed - if we pick QJ we're clearly looking to diversify the WR corps skillset and going for the home run of a great WR corps whereas Addison is the "double" the guy who will contribute but likely fits in as the clear number 2 on the offence
there's a reason why both of them would fall to 22 if they do... with QJ it's the hands, with Addison it's the play-strength and general athleticism
JSN clears Flowers
Flowers clears everyone else
oooooh yeah
big fan of Mingo for sure
Davesta
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I yell Bingo for Mingo!
UPennChem
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I agree they are the top 2. That being said I think teams might be afraid of Flowers' catch radius. He has 29.5 inch arms. And apparently there are precisely 0 good NFL receivers with sub 30 inch arms.
Idk if that's a big deal or not but I've seen it a few times.
I could be wrong but I see JSN going top 12 ish. I see QJ and Addison going top 21 probably and Flowers falling right to us.