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The 2023 Offseason Thread

UPennChem said:
If you have an EDGE group consisting of Oweh, Ojabo, Bowser, and Houston I think you're in really good shape. Unleash the nightmare. Oweh NEEDS to step up and be that guy in year 3. He's capable and I hope David can help him. Houston too.
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i think that's ok
at a certain point you have to expect the guys you invested in to step up

we've got a 1st round pick who'll be in year 3 (and finished the year on a high note)
we've got a 2nd round pick (who should have been a top 15 pick) who'll be going into year 2 albeit more like his rookie year
we've got a veteran all-around solid guy in Tyus Bowser

and hopefully Houston will be back too as you say

wouldnt be surprised if EDGE is BPA and we add to this group - but also wouldnt be surprised if we added Houston and some random vet minimum vets off the street and just ran it back with this group
 
Always hard to glean too much considering these dudes know how to lie, but felt they were pretty forthright on a lot of things.

Clearly they want Lamar and they think it can get done. Were honest about the intricacies and the difficulty, but would be very surprised if Lamar isn't the long-term QB. Something would have to go very wrong seemingly.

Glad they noticed WR was a heaping pile of shit. Not saying they're going out to get Jefferson and Hopkins or something, but it's clear they're going to add more quality NFL bodies vs. taking chances on rookies with potential and hoping they step up.

They recognized that most of the other positions are probably going to stay the same on offense. G is the biggest question mark outside of WR but it's not like they don't have in house options. Otherwise, it seems they'll just be looking to add depth on offense.

On D, CB was obviously the big one. Sounds like Peters will be given a number, which means he's most likely gone. They're going to add here but I also really do think they like the young guys. Stephens started playing well toward the end of the season. The rookies from last year have room for growth. You can bring back Worley and Seymour cheap for depth.

Like offense though, it seems the rest is depth more than anything. Maybe DL, maybe EDGE could use a top flight guy but I think they trust in the development of their young guys too. They'll supplement with veterans in case it doesn't work.

I think most telling was that Harbaugh doesn't want to coach a rebuild though. To me, that's a sign that Lamar will be the QB of this team and they're only looking to overhaul a couple of positions. We have so many good pieces and as long as you have the QB we have, we're in the hunt.
 
rossihunter2 said:
i mean just generally, excluding QB, if you had to pick 4 positions to focus on (all things being equal), i think basically every GM would tell you that you should take WR, CB, EDGE, LT and DL (if they can pass rush) as the 5 most high value positions you could go after

just so happens that outside of LT, we could do with help at any of those 4 other positions
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But... Oweh?
 
Anyone feel any better about the LJ contract negotiations?

EDC was very clear that their relationship with Lamar “the football player” is solid and they would really love to have him here for the next 5 years. He was also pretty clear that dealing with Lamar “the agent” is the business side and they are not going to overpay. They are are prepared to use the tag if necessary but how much does that hurt the overhaul of the WR group with regard to cap space? Sounds like they are in pretty good shape with the cap for 23.

Going to be an interesting few weeks ahead.
 
SaltyDog said:
Anyone feel any better about the LJ contract negotiations?

EDC was very clear that their relationship with Lamar “the football player” is solid and they would really love to have him here for the next 5 years. He was also pretty clear that dealing with Lamar “the agent” is the business side and they are not going to overpay. They are are prepared to use the tag if necessary but how much does that hurt the overhaul of the WR group with regard to cap space? Sounds like they are in pretty good shape as far as cap space goes for 23.

Going to be an interesting few weeks ahead.
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It felt very clear to me that they understand the ramifications if they don't get something done with Lamar. There's always a line of course but I feel a lot more confident now that the media speculation has been just that... speculation. They don't know shit.
 
Simba said:
It felt very clear to me that they understand the ramifications if they don't get something done with Lamar. There's always a line of course but I feel a lot more confident now that the media speculation has been just that... speculation. They don't know shit.
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Yeah the only one I'm pissed off at is Jeff. Like wtf were you on about bro?
 
UPennChem said:
Yeah the only one I'm pissed off at is Jeff. Like wtf were you on about bro?
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The one thing I'll give Jeff credit for is that he said he was concerned based on his own feelings. He mentioned in other tweets that neither side is giving information on this and that's the only way he could react based on the info he had.
 
rossihunter2 said:
i think when they said overhaul, they mean overhaul, i think that means that DRob's not coming back either - dont think anyone's safe except Bateman... Duvernay probably safe but i wouldnt guarantee that either with how he finished the season (poor special teams play, disappearing on offence and then landing on I/R)

that's gonna be too much i think - from the way EDC was talking, i dont think there's any way we can afford Meyers unless his market is nothing like what we expect (but of the current available free agents, he's my favourite option i think)

right now, i think the only thing we can guarantee is that it's Bateman + a day1/2 draft pick + probably Duvernay + ???
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I liked Meyers in the draft that year. Everybody was on Harmon but when I tried to watch Harmon, I only saw Meyers on film. And these jerks got him without even giving a pick for him.
 
Simba said:
On D, CB was obviously the big one. Sounds like Peters will be given a number, which means he's most likely gone. They're going to add here but I also really do think they like the young guys. Stephens started playing well toward the end of the season. The rookies from last year have room for growth. You can bring back Worley and Seymour cheap for depth.
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one thing ill be super wary about here (until i forget and lap up every morsel they give us this offseason) is how they said stuff like this about the young WRs and we all know how that turned out

then again, we have at least seen some promise from these young guys, and in Stephens's case, in starting reps at 2 different positions in the defence

if you retain Geno, bring back Ardarius, Worley and Seymour, I think you're probably only looking at, as you say, bringing in 1 guy to finish up this position - maybe that's a high/reasonably high draft pick, maybe that's a veteran
 
rossihunter2 said:
one thing ill be super wary about here (until i forget and lap up every morsel they give us this offseason) is how they said stuff like this about the young WRs and we all know how that turned out

then again, we have at least seen some promise from these young guys, and in Stephens's case, in starting reps at 2 different positions in the defence

if you retain Geno, bring back Ardarius, Worley and Seymour, I think you're probably only looking at, as you say, bringing in 1 guy to finish up this position - maybe that's a high/reasonably high draft pick, maybe that's a veteran
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Oh yeah. I think they want the young guys to step up, but also don't want to put all of the eggs in that basket. They're almost surely going to make a meaningful addition at CB regardless.
 
Simba said:
I think most telling was that Harbaugh doesn't want to coach a rebuild though. To me, that's a sign that Lamar will be the QB of this team and they're only looking to overhaul a couple of positions. We have so many good pieces and as long as you have the QB we have, we're in the hunt.
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was interesting that they didnt seem to worry too much about how 2022 went
said they were excited about what they'd been building the last 2-3 years to this point both in terms of roster-building and schematically

i really do think @Deebo813 was on it last offseason... they've clearly been building this team for beyond the 2022 team with some of the developmental picks in the draft and taking someone like Ojabo, the accumulation of young talent over the last 3 draft classes, the salary cap health ready for Lamar's deal (or franchise tag)

and i think also that this team is clearly talented enough on defence that even if it's a somewhat neglected unit this offseason, it's not going to be a bad unit overall (even if it's not top 2 like it was for the post-Roquan part of the 2022 season)
 
In regards to all of the Lamar talk from the day, they're playing a super risky game if they do end up moving on. Can't say all of that at a press conference, move him, and expect the fans to still back you. EDC is playing with his job if all of today was a bluff, which is why I can't realistically believe he was bluffing. That would be ballsy as fuck.
 
Simba said:
It felt very clear to me that they understand the ramifications if they don't get something done with Lamar. There's always a line of course but I feel a lot more confident now that the media speculation has been just that... speculation. They don't know shit.
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especially after EDC's jab at the NFLPA leak of some of the contract details (and the fact that no other details have come out - as he stated)
 
Simba said:
Oh yeah. I think they want the young guys to step up, but also don't want to put all of the eggs in that basket. They're almost surely going to make a meaningful addition at CB regardless.
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i think it's also fair enough if they do leave it alone at this position
they've got Marlo, they've got Stephens and they've got enough guys who can play nickel and Hamilton who can play big nickel - if they leave it alone and decide to go crazy at WR (which i think they might) - they probably reckon they can get away with it given how good the spine of this team is now...

just need to work out whether we can convince Calais to go again for 1 last year... or else find his replacement

think a Calais replacement (if he's gone) may well be more important than a CB tbh
 
Simba said:
In regards to all of the Lamar talk from the day, they're playing a super risky game if they do end up moving on. Can't say all of that at a press conference, move him, and expect the fans to still back you. EDC is playing with his job if all of today was a bluff, which is why I can't realistically believe he was bluffing. That would be ballsy as fuck.
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he's also been very specific in the past with some of the bluffs/hoodwinks he's played on media in the past - never outright lies, always tries to be truthful when there's not a competitive reason not to be

if this was a bluff - it would suggest there was already a plan in place - which would suggest a trade offer, and a plan of who we're gonna replace lamar with, and confidence that we'll have early success with that plan

no way he knows all those things
 
mentioned that Bateman is going to be ready soon. Said screws could be taken out, but hey don't need to be taken out. That was great news.

Also only having 1 offseason surgery is amazing.
 
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