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The 2023 Offseason Thread

Sandtown said:
For some reason Duvernay is considered a trash receiver to some Ravens fans. He is now the new Tandon Doss or David Reed. If that receiver doesn't run routes like Derrick Mason or Odell Beckham then he is considered a bum.
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Duv looked very good last year until he stopped looking good. My guess is having more attention on him when Bateman went out and injury
 
For Duvernay, end of day, it comes down to this...
If you want a solid veteran WR, you'll probably have to choose between Duvernay and that guy.

The only thing that makes these guys easy to keep is an extension for Lamar. That's it. If Lamar doesn't get extended, there is no math problem available that involves keeping everybody. You can't just keep Clark and Edwards and Duv and Campbell and Zeitler AND add quality WRs in FA with your QB carrying a $45M cap hit. Just isn't going to happen. You can restructure 3-4 of your largest contracts, and it still won't get the math there.

Some guys that we'd like to keep will have to be cut or not brought back. That's the reality of it. The sooner fans get on board with this idea, the better.
 
Duvernay is definitely an interesting case with the inflated salary and all of the others things going on. As a 3rd option in the offense, he was progressing nicely. Once he became option #1, he faltered. I also would not be shocked at all if the foot injury played into the demise because it coincidentally was tied with a loss of explosion out of him. Pure assumption, but it feels like his injury was a stress fracture type of deal that finally met its end. It's a lot of money for a guy like that, but not sure I'm ready to throw in the towel on his development.
 
Sandtown said:
For some reason Duvernay is considered a trash receiver to some Ravens fans. He is now the new Tandon Doss or David Reed. If that receiver doesn't run routes like Derrick Mason or Odell Beckham then he is considered a bum.
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Yeah. I actually rather like Duvernay. I want him to stay on this team, and I don't think we are cutting him
 
QtR Nevermore said:
Why is Duv getting caught in the crossfire? He was looking pretty effective last season until Roman suddenly decided to cut him out of the offense and he barely got a target for the rest of the year.
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notably he barely got a target after Bateman went down
suddenly he got extra attention and couldnt get open

also his hands and confidence took a dive and he started dropping everything that did come his way

tbf even with his early season targets he wasnt getting open a ton either - just lamar was trusting him a bit on the outside to make some plays in contested/low-separation situations

he's perfectly fine as a WR4 but he disappeared when he was asked to be more than a WR2/3...
 
rossihunter2 said:
notably he barely got a target after Bateman went down
suddenly he got extra attention and couldnt get open

also his hands and confidence took a dive and he started dropping everything that did come his way

tbf even with his early season targets he wasnt getting open a ton either - just lamar was trusting him a bit on the outside to make some plays in contested/low-separation situations

he's perfectly fine as a WR4 but he disappeared when he was asked to be more than a WR2/3...
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I'd like to bring back Demarcus Robinson next season on a similar contract, but as our #3 WR. Who our #2 will be next season is yet to be seen.
 
RavensMania said:
I'd like to bring back Demarcus Robinson next season on a similar contract, but as our #3 WR. Who our #2 will be next season is yet to be seen.
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If he's actually in the number 3 role he can do a nice job. He can't be WR1. And no one would ordinarily ask him to. Thing is in a perfect world (which probably doesn't exist) he'd be WR4 because you'd have Bateman and make one nice draft pick and one nice FA acquisition.
 
Simba said:
Duvernay is definitely an interesting case with the inflated salary and all of the others things going on. As a 3rd option in the offense, he was progressing nicely. Once he became option #1, he faltered. I also would not be shocked at all if the foot injury played into the demise because it coincidentally was tied with a loss of explosion out of him. Pure assumption, but it feels like his injury was a stress fracture type of deal that finally met its end. It's a lot of money for a guy like that, but not sure I'm ready to throw in the towel on his development.
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cant possibly justify a 4.3m cap hit for Duv (with 4m in savings with a cut)

when last year, juju, landry, reynolds, tre'quan smith, lazard were all playing with lower AAVs
and guys like kenrick bourne had lower cap numbers

not saying those guys are amazing, but some of them are way better than Duv lol

would be happy to keep him to finish out his rookie contract without those escalators but he's not worth it unless we really cant find anyone (not saying they'll necessarily cut him before free agency, but wouldnt be surprised if he was a casualty of roster cutdown day for a nice little extra brucey cap bonus to help us fit under the rule of 51)
 
UPennChem said:
If he's actually in the number 3 role he can do a nice job. He can't be WR1. And no one would ordinarily ask him to. Thing is in a perfect world (which probably doesn't exist) he'd be WR4 because you'd have Bateman and make one nice draft pick and one nice FA acquisition.
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that's the ideal
Bateman + someone new + Robinson is ok
Bateman + someone new + someone new + Robinson is pretty good
 
RavensMania said:
I'd like to bring back Demarcus Robinson next season on a similar contract, but as our #3 WR. Who our #2 will be next season is yet to be seen.
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Robinson is such an enigma to me. Had some games where he looked like a baller and some games where he looked like he should be in the XFL. Absolutely no problems bringing him back at the minimum and seeing if you have other options that can beat him out. Much worse depth options to have though, in my opinion.
 
rossihunter2 said:
that's the ideal
Bateman + someone new + Robinson is ok
Bateman + someone new + someone new + Robinson is pretty good
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Adding one WR isn't going to cut it. The bottom one is what I'd bank on. I would anticipate one veteran signing of "some note" (nothing expensive but at least somebody with a track record) and then a WR drafted before the end of day 2, and probably another one late.

I think they could bring in Robinson or similar later in FA for the vet minimum, so I'm not concerned if we bring him back.

Only way I see Duvernay back is on a short-term extension for not much money ($3-4M a year, tops) or if we cut him outright in March, he goes to the market, finds basically nothing, then comes back for like a $2M payday or something like that. Basically he'd have to take like a 50% paycut.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Adding one WR isn't going to cut it. The bottom one is what I'd bank on. I would anticipate one veteran signing of "some note" (nothing expensive but at least somebody with a track record) and then a WR drafted before the end of day 2, and probably another one late.

I think they could bring in Robinson or similar later in FA for the vet minimum, so I'm not concerned if we bring him back.

Only way I see Duvernay back is on a short-term extension for not much money ($3-4M a year, tops) or if we cut him outright in March, he goes to the market, finds basically nothing, then comes back for like a $2M payday or something like that. Basically he'd have to take like a 50% paycut.
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oh im 100% expecting more than just 1 addition - was just listing potential depth chart situations

i still expect that we'll have 2 new starters in 11 personnel - i imagine 1 will be a free agent maybe with an ok-decent sized contract, i hope 1 will be a day 1/2 draft pick (as long as the board falls right), and i imagine we'll double or even triple dip

but i imagine we'll also raid some WR vet cast-offs like we've done in the past and bring them in either for the minimum or close to round out the depth and add competition like we did the year we had seth roberts for 2m and michael floyd come into camp on a minimum deal

i hope we find someone we like in the draft and free agency - but i imagine we'll also be looking at willie snead, john brown, michael crabtree, seth roberts types
 
Simba said:
Deal for Lamar is pretty damn close to what I’d have in mind…
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Also, I'll gladly be wrong, but I don't think there's any chance in hell the Seahawks give Geno 4/150 with over $100M gtd.

I think he'll be in the Daniel Jones/Jimmy G class. $25-30M a year, probably two years of guaranteed money. $112M in gtd money is like a 3 year commitment. Ain't no way I give that for Geno. He had a good year, not a great year.
 
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