The 2023 Offseason Thread

[Simba]

2 of those guys are open market
sounds like Bieniemy is also available

was inevitable they'd be part of our search - especially Bieniemy and Reich given their Andy Reid/Eagles background which Harbs has always liked to borrow from for offensive staff

good to have it confirmed that harbs is turning over every stone (including the big ones)

And not much pressure to move fast if you're extending the search to this many guys, much like the Kubiak years. Appreciate the effort to look into the hot names but also talk to a bunch of guys because sometimes it's not the hot candidate that's the best.

 

[rossihunter2]

Pass game coordinator after pass game coordinator

idk about anyone else, but feels to me like Harbs might have an idea about what he wants the offence to look like

i know he talked about how we have a good identity and that we wanted to keep that identity on offence but evolve - definitely feels like he's all in on the "evolution" part of that statement so far lol

Leftwich will have some questions to answer about game-planning in 2021 vs 2022 with Arians's absence (but i think the general downgrade in play can very much be attributed to personnel changes albeit that offence was pretty predictable by the end)

 

[drjohnnyfever]

 

[rossihunter2]

And not much pressure to move fast if you're extending the search to this many guys, much like the Kubiak years. Appreciate the effort to look into the hot names but also talk to a bunch of guys because sometimes it's not the hot candidate that's the best.

also there's so many openings, and no HCs have been hired yet either, and no OCs too

unless there's a guy who you know is THE guy for you, there's no rush whatsoever

plus someone like Reich is also in on some of the HC roles too so that domino has to fall also

and then there's the fact that there's so many openings at OC that there's probably a clear hierarchy for some of these candidates and got to think the Ravens are close to the top of the list (as long as there are assurances that Lamar is definitely a raven i 2023) - maybe the chargers job is more sought after, maybe the rams job (just because of the reputation for being a spring-board) but cant see how anyone views any of the other jobs as better than this one

 

[Simba]

also there's so many openings, and no HCs have been hired yet either, and no OCs too

unless there's a guy who you know is THE guy for you, there's no rush whatsoever

plus someone like Reich is also in on some of the HC roles too so that domino has to fall also

and then there's the fact that there's so many openings at OC that there's probably a clear hierarchy for some of these candidates and got to think the Ravens are close to the top of the list (as long as there are assurances that Lamar is definitely a raven i 2023) - maybe the chargers job is more sought after, maybe the rams job (just because of the reputation for being a spring-board) but cant see how anyone views any of the other jobs as better than this one

Feel like this is a more general thing now - teams being a lot more patient. I support it. Take your time and make sure you've got the right guy.

 

[RavensMania]

also there's so many openings, and no HCs have been hired yet either, and no OCs too

unless there's a guy who you know is THE guy for you, there's no rush whatsoever

plus someone like Reich is also in on some of the HC roles too so that domino has to fall also

and then there's the fact that there's so many openings at OC that there's probably a clear hierarchy for some of these candidates and got to think the Ravens are close to the top of the list (as long as there are assurances that Lamar is definitely a raven i 2023) - maybe the chargers job is more sought after, maybe the rams job (just because of the reputation for being a spring-board) but cant see how anyone views any of the other jobs as better than this one

you have to add in Callahan being interviewed for the Colts job. If he is hired, the Bengals OC job will be open also.

 

[rossihunter2]

Feel like this is a more general thing now - teams being a lot more patient. I support it. Take your time and make sure you've got the right guy.

ironically, it's helped that you can interview the playoff coordinators before they're eliminated
means that you know whether to wait or not and teams are less in a rush because the pool of options is much bigger and much less chance you can get left empty-handed

 

[rossihunter2]

you have to add in Callahan being interviewed for the Colts job. If he is hired, the Bengals OC job will be open also.

i mean if we're doing that then add in the eagles job, and potentially the chiefs job if bieniemy is on the move (although i imagine nagy would just slot right in if that's the case, just like one of the eagles assistants probably just gets elevated to replace steichen)

 

[RavensMania]

i mean if we're doing that then add in the eagles job, and potentially the chiefs job if bieniemy is on the move (although i imagine nagy would just slot right in if that's the case, just like one of the eagles assistants probably just gets elevated to replace steichen)

correct, but I'm not sure I'd consider the Chiefs job as a better opportunity since you won't be calling plays or most likely won't be calling plays, but yes agree that Nagy would get the opportunity. I see the OC of the Eagles getting a HC job which will most likely move Johnson to OC.

 

[drjohnnyfever]

The elephant in the room is what top candidate is going to want to commit to a Lamar-less Ravens? We might be settling for an also-ran. I hate to be that negative; we might have our guy in mind, but he might not want a situation where he's the OC of a FA QB or a rookie.

 

[JAAM]

Pass game coordinator after pass game coordinator

You love to see it

 

[rossihunter2]

The elephant in the room is what top candidate is going to want to commit to a Lamar-less Ravens? We might be settling for an also-ran. I hate to be that negative; we might have our guy in mind, but he might not want a situation where he's the OC of a FA QB or a rookie.

even if it's not true...
harbs is gonna sell the hell out of lamar being there if he likes the candidate lol

 

[Simba]

The elephant in the room is what top candidate is going to want to commit to a Lamar-less Ravens? We might be settling for an also-ran. I hate to be that negative; we might have our guy in mind, but he might not want a situation where he's the OC of a FA QB or a rookie.

Probably the key question being asked by all of the candidates. Would imagine that's a big sticking point for the big name types, but the younger ones are likely to take their chances because they may not get an opportunity again.

 

[JAAM]

 

[drjohnnyfever]

...the other elephant in my room is that my oldest daughter thinks Joe Burrow is dreamy. Have mercy on me lord!

 

[Tank]

...the other elephant in my room is that my oldest daughter thinks Joe Burrow is dreamy. Have mercy on me lord!

Does she watch the Home Alone film series a lot? lol

 

[rmcjacket23]

The elephant in the room is what top candidate is going to want to commit to a Lamar-less Ravens? We might be settling for an also-ran. I hate to be that negative; we might have our guy in mind, but he might not want a situation where he's the OC of a FA QB or a rookie.

Think its overblown.
For starters, all indications are Lamar will be with the team next season.
But most importantly... this isn't the kind of thing where like coordinator candidates can really be "selective" about where they want to coordinate. If they decline to work for the Ravens, they're in no way guaranteed to get a coordinator job elsewhere.

Like I don't know why anybody would want to be HC of the Jets. Unreasonable media scrutiny, basically a year-to-year job, and an organization with a multi-decade-long track record of failure. Yet, every time there's a job opening, they hire one of the better coordinators on the market for the job.

Why? Because there's only 32 of these jobs, and at any given time, only like 5-6 that are open and available. Beggars can't be choosers. Same with coordinator jobs.

 

[UPennChem]

Quote from Harbs about the WR room.

"So, I think you're talking about 75% of the offense is intact, and 25% – and it's all in the same room – will be new. The wide receiver room can be built up, and those are pieces we can give Lamar and give him a chance to really thrive."

Maybe it is crazy to actually take these percentages somewhat seriously buuuutttttt if an offense typically has 25 guys, 25% of 25 is ~6 guys. That would mean replacing literally everyone other than Bate lmao

 

[SepticeyePoe]

Quote from Harbs about the WR room.

"So, I think you're talking about 75% of the offense is intact, and 25% – and it's all in the same room – will be new. The wide receiver room can be built up, and those are pieces we can give Lamar and give him a chance to really thrive."

Maybe it is crazy to actually take these percentages somewhat seriously buuuutttttt if an offense typically has 25 guys, 25% of 25 is ~6 guys. That would mean replacing literally everyone other than Bate lmao

That's what it sounds like when he narrows the changes down to one group in particular

 

[JAAM]

Quote from Harbs about the WR room.

"So, I think you're talking about 75% of the offense is intact, and 25% – and it's all in the same room – will be new. The wide receiver room can be built up, and those are pieces we can give Lamar and give him a chance to really thrive."

Maybe it is crazy to actually take these percentages somewhat seriously buuuutttttt if an offense typically has 25 guys, 25% of 25 is ~6 guys. That would mean replacing literally everyone other than Bate lmao

And that’s honestly what needs to be done lol. Everyone besides Bate can kick rocks - Duv included