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The 2023 Offseason Thread

Simba said:
And that's where we differ. Teams are absolutely going to want to pay him, and they'll probably want to pay him more than the Ravens are offering in the current state at least. However, I don't think what the Ravens have reportedly offered is an insult or anything. It's reasonable. And that's also not to say Lamar is dumb to not accept - he's well within his right to push for what he wants and I support that side as well.

I guess I just struggle with the idea that some team out there is just going to give him exactly what he wants on a contract and it's all hunky dory and done just like that. The reported gap between what Lamar supposedly wants and what offers the Ravens (and likely other teams as well if it gets to that point) are presenting is pretty significant. A team coming in and giving Lamar what he's assumed to want reshapes the league entirely. I guess I just don't agree that this is an easy contract from any team's perspective. Teams have given out dumb, big contracts before but the assumption with Lamar just seems far too grandiose for me because this is significantly more money.

Maybe I'm wrong. I hope I'm not.
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That's definitely a fair take. I agree that it can't go on, and despite not saying it publicly, I think the Ravens are ready to move on quickly. I don't think we will be awaiting a signing in July, as some suggested. It will either get resolved by draft time or I think there will be more fireworks draft night. The distraction can't continue. This going any later than draft night is sort of the finish line for me, given how few picks we have, how much the Ravens covet picks, and how many we could have if this gets resolved by trade.
 
Michael M. said:
Also seems like the Reid/Mahomes combo are becoming the next Belichik/Brady. I don't sense that with Harbaugh and Lamar...But another team who has found their duo are the Jags. Pederson/Lawrence have a bright future
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now Lawrence has now had 2 years in the league and just had a very good season. After two years in the league, Lamar had won MVP.

I don't think that's fair to say about Lamar.
 
drjohnnyfever said:
That's definitely a fair take. I agree that it can't go on, and despite not saying it publicly, I think the Ravens are ready to move on quickly. I don't think we will be awaiting a signing in July, as some suggested. It will either get resolved by draft time or I think there will be more fireworks draft night. The distraction can't continue. This going any later than draft night is sort of the finish line for me, given how few picks we have, how much the Ravens covet picks, and how many we could have if this gets resolved by trade.
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I think the only way this whole situation gets resolved quickly is with a contract. I don't think a trade and an extension elsewhere gets done near quick enough to allow us to shift gears. I think the Ravens would much sooner take the gap year than moving on just because they want to do other things.
 
Michael M. said:
Also seems like the Reid/Mahomes combo are becoming the next Belichik/Brady. I don't sense that with Harbaugh and Lamar...But another team who has found their duo are the Jags. Pederson/Lawrence have a bright future
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now Lawrence has now had 2 years in the league and just had a very good season. After two years in the league, Lamar had won MVP.

I don't think that's fair to say about Harbaugh and Lamar. I can't wait to see Lamar under a new play caller though and a healthy Bateman.
 
Simba said:
I think a lot of people also overestimate how dumb teams are as well, personally. A significant number of the owners were pissed at the Browns for Watson and I don't think they're going to go down that road.

Again, could be wrong, but just doesn't seem realistic all things considered.
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I admit that I could be one of them, but they don't have to be completely moronic about what they do, they just have to be more willing than the Ravens seem to be. But I have faith in the moron factor too. ;)
 
drjohnnyfever said:
I admit that I could be one of them, but they don't have to be completely moronic about what they do, they just have to be more willing than the Ravens seem to be. But I have faith in the moron factor too. ;)
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In a scenario where Lamar is on the trade block and given permission to talk to other teams about a deal, I'd be hard pressed to believe that if he's willing to accept something not too far over the Ravens offer, the Ravens don't come back and match that.

In fact, I don't think it's unreasonable that might be a catalyst at some point. If he makes it to the trade market, Lamar might get out there and realize that the money he wants isn't available from any other team, and he comes back to the Ravens and they strike a deal. Or maybe he does find that money and I'm wrong and we move on. But the Ravens have an opportunity to take some risk here in multiple ways IF they strongly believe a team isn't going to blow their offer out of the water.
 
Simba said:
In a scenario where Lamar is on the trade block and given permission to talk to other teams about a deal, I'd be hard pressed to believe that if he's willing to accept something not too far over the Ravens offer, the Ravens don't come back and match that.

In fact, I don't think it's unreasonable that might be a catalyst at some point. If he makes it to the trade market, Lamar might get out there and realize that the money he wants isn't available from any other team, and he comes back to the Ravens and they strike a deal. Or maybe he does find that money and I'm wrong and we move on. But the Ravens have an opportunity to take some risk here in multiple ways IF they strongly believe a team isn't going to blow their offer out of the water.
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Interestingly enough, I think that's the likely route this takes. I think they give him the go ahead to do just that. I think they are willing to live with whatever happens in that scenario.
 
Michael M. said:
I agree. I don't know how KC manages their money or contracts but they're worth emulating. Sorry but I think Mahomes is better than Lamar and they found a way to lock him in long term and he happily plays in the SB more often than not. In the meantime they surround him with multiple quality weapons, even post Hill. They pick up these guys like Toney and Smith-Schuster without missing a beat, decisions the Ravens seem to agonize over. Oh and they also found a way to pay Chris Jones.
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They gave Mahomes 10 year contract in his 3rd year. That's what you do if you are truthful saying "Lamar isn't going anywhere, he's our guy". Then you have flexibility to spread that kind of cap load and sign more quality players and give your QB someone to play with. Not to mention our inability to recognize how offensive scheme is holding your QB back big time.

They also draft well, their rookies have prominent roles on the team year in, year out.
 
allblackraven said:
They gave Mahomes 10 year contract in his 3rd year. That's what you do if you are truthful saying "Lamar isn't going anywhere, he's our guy". Then you have flexibility to spread that kind of cap load and sign more quality players and give your QB someone to play with. Not to mention our inability to recognize how offensive scheme is holding your QB back big time.

They also draft well, their rookies have prominent roles on the team year in, year out.
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I think that is what we would have done, if Lamar had an agent and not the nflpa running interference.
 
RavensMania said:
I think that is what we would have done, if Lamar had an agent and not the nflpa running interference.
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I don't believe that. When he became eligible, molester's guaranteed contract was nowhere in the picture. There was nothing to interfere with.

It was always Ravens not willing to pay what Lamar was rightfully asking.
 
allblackraven said:
They gave Mahomes 10 year contract in his 3rd year. That's what you do if you are truthful saying "Lamar isn't going anywhere, he's our guy". Then you have flexibility to spread that kind of cap load and sign more quality players and give your QB someone to play with. Not to mention our inability to recognize how offensive scheme is holding your QB back big time.

They also draft well, their rookies have prominent roles on the team year in, year out.
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So is the FO inept, or they weren't willing to commit when they should have? What happened, and is that what Lamar is reacting to?
 
Simba said:
I might be in the minority, but I also think the prospect of Lamar playing on the tag is basically untenable at this point. Not because of the money, but because of the distraction. I'm not convinced either side wants to go through another year like 2022. It's reached it's breaking point to me, and a decision needs to be made one way or another.
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I've been saying this for a little while too. Makes no sense with respect to building the team to win a SB and is a huge distraction and tax on everyone. It's simply no good
 
allblackraven said:
I don't believe that. When he became eligible, molester's guaranteed contract was nowhere in the picture. There was nothing to interfere with.

It was always Ravens not willing to pay what Lamar was rightfully asking.
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Feel like we’re almost to the point where it’s advisable just to give your QB the big contract as soon as they’re eligible, assuming they’re good of course.
 
RavensMania said:
it takes two to tango. The front office is far from inept. As I said earlier, if Lamar had an agent, we wouldn't be going through these issues.
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So they would give say 200 guaranteed to Lamar's agent but not to Lamar?

What gives you an impression Lamar would agree to less just because agent told h8m so?
 
rmcjacket23 said:
By the way... good exercise for those advocating for the "void year" phenomenon. It "worked" for the Bucs in that they got their SB ring, but Brady isn't playing for them this year and he'll cost them $35.1M in dead money. That's over 15% of their cap. That's what "void years" looks like.
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Brady’s 35 million cap hit is spread over two years. 11 this year and 24 next
 
RavensMania said:
it takes two to tango. The front office is far from inept. As I said earlier, if Lamar had an agent, we wouldn't be going through these issues.
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As far as QBs go, they are actually pretty inept, historically. Selection and management of QBs.
Just look at what happened with Joe. He's been overpaid on the count of 4 games run, rather than paid what he was really worth. The contract was bad, too - done in a way that they had to restructure it at the point when it was clear Joe is done, not even capable of his old standard of play. Also, after giving him handsome bucks, they decided to trade his best WR. Kept drafting scrubs, continuing to tie Joe's hands, really.

All that screams ineptness. It may not be all on FO, Bisciotti had to have a hand in those decisions, just like he has now.
 
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