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The 2023 Offseason Thread

redrum52 said:
Players are the easiest to attack when they speak up. Many were quick to just bring up Hollywood's drops when he made his soldiers comment. And usually badmouthing your boss will land you in trouble so I get them being quiet. We've seen plenty of players get blackballed or labeled after doing that. I don't think he goes off if not for EDC comments about the wrs. After being traded Holloywood said he was the voice for TEAMMATES cause some would t speak up. It's a young room so I not going to fault them for trying not to derail their career 2-3 years in against one of the quote best run organizations in the league.
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Right, but some of these guys have either been out of the league or are playing elsewhere. And have been for years. They've had nothing to risk.
 
Thezone27 said:
bro. DeCosta isn't shit at his job. that's the biggest bs I've ever heard
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We were talking about Saunders.

As for DeCosta, he's average maybe. He's not good enough to survive losing his franchise QB. What GM does that? It's not just about this this year, failing to get it done after year 3 or 4, before the Watson contract, was a major fuck up that is going to cost the Ravens either a QB or a lot of money.
 
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QtR Nevermore said:
Judon tweeted about it a year ago and he didn't even have an injury axe to grind. He just knew the man was shit at his job. It's a bit harder for current players to do so.
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Perhaps. I'd also like to know if these players were internally making their concerns known and for how long.
If we're now in the business of caring about "optics", the "optics" of complaining about a problem that's already been addressed doesn't come off "looking good".

Especially true with Bateman. He's effectively saying "our WR room is plenty good" and that the issues are length of strength/conditioning and the OC (both of whom no longer work there).

Would like to see the list of fans who actually buy into the fact that the WR room is a new OC and strength coach away from being quality.
 
QtR Nevermore said:
We were talking about Saunders.

As for DeCosta, he's average maybe. He's not good enough to survive losing his franchise QB. What GM does that? It's not just about this this year, failing to get it done after year 3 or 4, before the Watson contract, was a major fuck up that is going to cost the Ravens either a QB or a lot of money.
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Well year 3 was never happening because there's no evidence whatsoever that Lamar was interested in a new deal after year 3. In fact his own quotes were that he basically didn't care about it at that time.

But yes DeCosta doesn't have the same credentials that Ozzie does. He can lose Lamar if its over a fully gtd deal, because most people will side with the Ravens on that one (including most teams around the league), but he won't have five years to rebuild it. He'll need to find a high caliber QB very quickly and start winning again quickly.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Perhaps. I'd also like to know if these players were internally making their concerns known and for how long.
If we're now in the business of caring about "optics", the "optics" of complaining about a problem that's already been addressed doesn't come off "looking good".

Especially true with Bateman. He's effectively saying "our WR room is plenty good" and that the issues are length of strength/conditioning and the OC (both of whom no longer work there).

Would like to see the list of fans who actually buy into the fact that the WR room is a new OC and strength coach away from being quality.
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our WR room is BULL SHIT
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Perhaps. I'd also like to know if these players were internally making their concerns known and for how long.
If we're now in the business of caring about "optics", the "optics" of complaining about a problem that's already been addressed doesn't come off "looking good".

Especially true with Bateman. He's effectively saying "our WR room is plenty good" and that the issues are length of strength/conditioning and the OC (both of whom no longer work there).

Would like to see the list of fans who actually buy into the fact that the WR room is a new OC and strength coach away from being quality.
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Bateman isn't talking about the future of the Ravens. He just saw his GM clumsily seeming to criticize his players. As part of his defense, he's perfectly within his rights to mention the poor circumstances the WRs were (under) performing under.

Saunders was the league's worst at his job and you can bet that if the NFLPA had surveyed players about their OC, Roman would have been 32nd too.
 
QtR Nevermore said:
Bateman isn't talking about the future of the Ravens. He just saw his GM clumsily seeming to criticize his players. As part of his defense, he's perfectly within his rights to mention the poor circumstances the WRs were (under) performing under.

Saunders was the league's worst at his job and you can bet that if the NFLPA had surveyed players about their OC, Roman would have been 32nd too.
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Well he was criticizing the players, because that room doesn't have enough talent. Pretty much a standard opinion by everybody. Changing the strength coach won't solve that, and neither will changing the OC. They need personnel upgrades. Only difference is people would probably prefer EDC not say that publicly, but I don't care about that.

Roman wouldn't be the lowest ranked OC. We pretty much know Olineman, RBs and TEs love him, so I doubt they'd be saying he's terrible. WRs will hate him, of course.

There's plenty of other really bad OC's out there. Greg Roman would look like Bill Walsh compared to whoever the OC was in New England last year.
 
Simba said:
Damn this is not a good look with all of these players calling us out on this front. Glad a change was finally made but seems this has been a long-term issue and it only being "resolved" now seems like a problem.
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You knew something was wrong just by the law of averages...should have been addressed at least 2yrs ago. And the ridiculous amount of non-stop ACL'S were glaring.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Well he was criticizing the players, because that room doesn't have enough talent. Pretty much a standard opinion by everybody. Changing the strength coach won't solve that, and neither will changing the OC. They need personnel upgrades. Only difference is people would probably prefer EDC not say that publicly, but I don't care about that.

Roman wouldn't be the lowest ranked OC. We pretty much know Olineman, RBs and TEs love him, so I doubt they'd be saying he's terrible. WRs will hate him, of course.

There's plenty of other really bad OC's out there. Greg Roman would look like Bill Walsh compared to whoever the OC was in New England last year.
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True, Converted DC Matt Patricia might have saved Roman from last place, but at least the Patriots only kept him employed for 1 season.

Why are you defending EDC's clumsy statement? There's no way a GM should be saying something like that about his own players, even accidentally. Especially since the Ravens are still going to be relying on Bateman to be one of their top two WRs next season.

Do Rbs love Romanball? Mike Davis seemed to be defending Bateman and JK has criticised his usage too
 
You guys recall JK talking about how he had to get the surgery. It was his decision to make, even though some people didn’t want him too.

My money is on Harbaugh and staff, wanting JK to play through it. I’ve thought the case when I heard how Harbs and JK talked about it in their pressers. Now I’m more certain lol
 
BoredMarine13 said:
I really don’t think that’s the case. John has equal share in righting the ship under Lamar. He also deserves a lot of credit for keeping the team relevant post Super Bowl with some shit rosters. We’re upset about the lack of playoff wins during that time, but I’m impressed how competitive we were with some of those terrible draft classes.
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The way he kept the team focused with all of the injuries in 2021 was miraculous. John may have faults, but to think he isn't a top notch coach is pretty ridiculous.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
One thing I didn't hear yesterday that I thought was interesting is EDC talking about Campbell. Basically doesn't sound like its clear-cut that he returns, despite Campbell saying he's playing next year. Feels like he, maybe more than anybody else, will have his future in Baltimore decided by what Lamar does (and doesn't do).

www.thebaltimorebanner.com

Ravens notes: Calais Campbell’s future in Baltimore is in doubt

With the Ravens facing a financial squeeze as they decide on Lamar Jackson’s future, general manager Eric DeCosta said Campbell’s future would be part of a “tough decision.”
www.thebaltimorebanner.com www.thebaltimorebanner.com
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I think that might have been more about no one asking him about Campbell than anything else
 
QtR Nevermore said:
True, Converted DC Matt Patricia might have saved Roman from last place, but at least the Patriots only kept him employed for 1 season.

Why are you defending EDC's clumsy statement? There's no way a GM should be saying something like that about his own players, even accidentally. Especially since the Ravens are still going to be relying on Bateman to be one of their top two WRs next season.

Do Rbs love Romanball? Mike Davis seemed to be defending Bateman and JK has criticised his usage too
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any player who doesn't get the ball is mad and thats a good thing, we need that alpha energy from JK but Baltimore isn't a place that likes that

personally I feel that style of suppressing that attitude is double sided.
we win and lose as a team, which hypothetically sounds good, but sometimes its nice to just let a player win the game- ie Jamar chase saying give me the fucking ball. win or lose off that player not the scheme. we dont do that and I think that pisses players off

imo thats why when we win, we fire on all cylinders and its always 5 different players score, 10 diff players have catches ect.
in todays star game, a lot of other teams will choose to lose or win off their main players. our system brings bad players up to decent, but some good players skills down

harbs is essentially like a +4 awareness, +2 special teams -2 play making madden card
 
rmcjacket23 said:
I'll be honest... I don't really even understand what Bateman is bitching about. If its criticism about Saunders or Roman, sure. I agree with it it.

If he's bitching at Eric because he said the WR room isn't as good as we want it, then what the fuck is Bateman even talking about? Is he saying if our WR core was healthy and had a better strength program they'd still be good?

Show me the fans who are buying that bullshit. I've yet to see the fan who doesn't think that room needs a talent infusion. And so when Eric says publicly that it does, what the hell are people complaining about?

Bateman can't logically be pissed at Eric about Saunders or Roman. That's on John. If he's pissed because Eric is calling out the WR room for not having enough talent, then he has no logical reason for doing so, other than the possibility that Bateman thinks the WR IS good.
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EDC also specifically called out Bateman for praise
 
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