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Flowers is gonna be a rookie of the year candidate.
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Flowers is gonna be a rookie of the year candidate.
And clearly a relationship that started in the pre-draft process - seemed like Joe D was an advocate for Sala
Dom McRaven
Hall of Famer
You damn right he is. I ain't #SIIE'ing this shit for nothing.
JAAM
Hall of Famer
I appreciate the transparency at least
UPennChem
Hall of Famer
Oh I love Monken. Dude doesn't coach speak at all. Kinda short with the media. Tells the truth.
Sooky
MVP
To me it sounded like he knows not everyone is there and a lot of room for improvement. Sounds like a key focus is getting players not named Andrews more involved. We all know the Ravens offense with Greg was atrocious at checking the ball down to running backs. And when it has been there the past couple seasons Lamar has missed the easy ones because it wasn’t a focal part of the offense before.
Not sure how Greg sounded in press conferences the past two seasons because I couldn’t listen without pulling my hair out. But I like the approach Monken has so far that theres a lot to be done.
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
Gonna take time fam. It’ll come.
UPennChem
Hall of Famer
I'm just happy he acknowledges it. Means they're working. Also means there are real changes being made
Dom McRaven
Hall of Famer
I would've been surprised if things were clicking this quickly. I expect growing pains to occur in the first part of the season.
Sooky
MVP
How many times did we hear over Roman’s tenure that it was the execution that was lacking and not play design. Obviously fault goes on both sides, execution and play calls, but it actually feels like a unit again on offense instead of a blame game.
Was also weirdly happy to hear that yesterday's practice was effective but not overly exciting with most completions in the passing game being "just" underneath stuff. Feel like we need a lot more of that so happy to hear we're working on it. We have playmakers. Get the ball in their hands and let them do work instead of consistently waiting for things to open up downfield.
UPennChem
Hall of Famer
Agreed. Honestly Monken just seems ridiculously more reasonable than Roman
I liked Flowers from the get go, but it sounds like he is even better than advertised. Lets hope this is true, but it's hard to not get excited.
UPennChem
Hall of Famer
Ok I am gonna give it a go again.
QB (2)
Lamar Jackson
Tyler Huntley
RB (4)
JK Dobbins
Gus Edwards
Justice Hill
Melvin Gordon
FB (1)
Pat Ricard
TE (3)
Mark Andrews
Isaiah Likely
Charlie Kolar
WR (6)
Odell Beckham Jr.
Rashod Bateman
Zay Flowers
Nelson Agholor
Devin Duvernay
Tylan Wallace
OL (9)
Ronnie Stanley
Pat Mekari
Sala Aumavae Laulu
John Simpson
Tyler Linderbaum
Kevin Zeitler
Ben Cleveland
Morgan Moses
Daniel Faalele
Offense: 25
Notable misses: Not really anyone. James Proche, Dontay Demus, Keaton Mitchell, Sam Mustipher.
DL (6)
Michael Pierce
Justin Madabuike
Broderick Washington
Travis Jones
Brent Urban
Angelo Blackson
OLB (5)
Odafe Oweh
David Ojabo
Tyus Boswer
Tavius Robinson
Vet (Houston, Van Noy, Clowney etc)
ILB (4)
Roquan Smith
Patrick Queen
Trenton Simpson
DelShawn Phillips
CB (6)
Marlon Humphrey
Rock Ya Sin
Arthur Maulet
Jaylon Armour Davis
Pepe Williams
Kyu Blu Kelly
S (4)
Marcus Williams
Kyle Hamilton
Brandon Stephens
Geno Stone
Defense 25
Notable Misses: Kristen Welch, Josh Ross, Ardarius Washington, Tryvon Mullen, Kevon Seymour, Daryl Worley
QB (2)
Lamar Jackson
Tyler Huntley
RB (4)
JK Dobbins
Gus Edwards
Justice Hill
Melvin Gordon
FB (1)
Pat Ricard
TE (3)
Mark Andrews
Isaiah Likely
Charlie Kolar
WR (6)
Odell Beckham Jr.
Rashod Bateman
Zay Flowers
Nelson Agholor
Devin Duvernay
Tylan Wallace
OL (9)
Ronnie Stanley
Pat Mekari
Sala Aumavae Laulu
John Simpson
Tyler Linderbaum
Kevin Zeitler
Ben Cleveland
Morgan Moses
Daniel Faalele
Offense: 25
Notable misses: Not really anyone. James Proche, Dontay Demus, Keaton Mitchell, Sam Mustipher.
DL (6)
Michael Pierce
Justin Madabuike
Broderick Washington
Travis Jones
Brent Urban
Angelo Blackson
OLB (5)
Odafe Oweh
David Ojabo
Tyus Boswer
Tavius Robinson
Vet (Houston, Van Noy, Clowney etc)
ILB (4)
Roquan Smith
Patrick Queen
Trenton Simpson
DelShawn Phillips
CB (6)
Marlon Humphrey
Rock Ya Sin
Arthur Maulet
Jaylon Armour Davis
Pepe Williams
Kyu Blu Kelly
S (4)
Marcus Williams
Kyle Hamilton
Brandon Stephens
Geno Stone
Defense 25
Notable Misses: Kristen Welch, Josh Ross, Ardarius Washington, Tryvon Mullen, Kevon Seymour, Daryl Worley
gtalk12
Ravens Ring of Honor
Don't be surprised if Zay is WR2
I'm with you for the most part, and even my disagreements aren't really true disagreements if that makes sense.
Big ones I question are Gordon making it, Mustipher not, and Harrison not.
On Gordon, I do think it's highly possible, but struggling to see what value he provides if you keep him, guarantee his salary, and then he just sits on the inactives (because he doesn't play ST) all year. Think they'd sooner cut him and do some PS gymnastics for awhile if they really wanted to keep him around. Probably dependent on JK getting back soon-ish.
On Mustipher, I think the player is bad. But we also have no true backup C in this scenario. Sure Mekari could do it, but that means his practice reps come at C during the season and you lose his T reps which is seemingly where they like him more. Again, not saying Mustipher has to make it for that reason, but seems like a prime position that we might be looking to upgrade if we can and Mustipher is as bad as he's been to this point.
On Harrison, I just don't see a reason to move on at this point. Plays teams, and has inside-outside versatility on D. I think I've said it before where he hasn't necessarily lived up to the hype, but he's putting together an Albert McClellan-like career which still has plenty of value. He played the most ST snaps on the team last year.
Just a related note, but I do think they'll take advantage of the 3rd QB rule eventually even if not right off the bat. Think they'll chance it early on but if someone gets banged up, think they'll move a QB to the 53 in short order.
rmcjacket23
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I think they'll keep a 7th Corner (or 5th Safety, depending on how you view somebody like Washington) over a 6th Dlineman. But other than that, I think the list is fine.
Would also say that I don't really see a backup Center on this list. Mekari has played there, but I don't think they like him there. If Cleveland can only play Guard, and is no better than the 4th Guard by the time roster cuts come, I think they're either cutting him or trading him. They value positional flexibility on the Oline, and so far, he doesn't have any.
So I would probably take Mustipher (if he's the backup C) over either Simpson or Cleveland, depending on who finishes lower on the depth chart at roster cuts.