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Article: Crap Speculation. Kap to the RAVENS

Deebo813 said:
I agree but the kap situation is all facts lol. Yes he is not the best Qb, but not signed to be a backup? Lol really.
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If kaep was starter material he would be on a team and starting despite the antics.

The problem is, the starting qb is the face of the franchise, and qb controversies are incredibly distracting and sometimes divide a team and ruin seasons. You can't have that kind of divisive rhetoric from a guy who is sitting on the bench and not even contributing. Now if he is capable of starting and winning 10 games(he isn't) then the antics become more acceptable because he's winning.

You sign kaepernick as a backup, you gain nothing except a media circus, a cap loss, and a slim chance of needing him to step in and hoping he doesn't blow the game.

The risk outweighs the reward a million to one because he's got a shitload of baggage with almost no upside. It literally makes zero sense to bring that to your locker room for the sake of him holding a clipboard.

If pacman jones was nothing more than a gunner on punt teams, he would've retired a very long time ago because nobody would want that kinda knucklehead for a spot that you can fill by paying veteran minimum to a quiet guy. It vontaze burficts talent level was comparable to an Albert McClellan, he wouldn't be allowed on the field, because the risk of a 15 yard flag outweighs the nonexistent reward.

It's really very simple to anyone with a sound mind, you, however, see the world in black and white, literally, it's all a racial and political divide in your eyes. You know why mike Vick did something far far far worse and was starting his first year of reinstatement? Because he was talented and wasn't a divisive backup.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
If kaep was starter material he would be on a team and starting despite the antics.

The problem is, the starting qb is the face of the franchise, and qb controversies are incredibly distracting and sometimes divide a team and ruin seasons. You can't have that kind of divisive rhetoric from a guy who is sitting on the bench and not even contributing. Now if he is capable of starting and winning 10 games(he isn't) then the antics become more acceptable because he's winning.

You sign kaepernick as a backup, you gain nothing except a media circus, a cap loss, and a slim chance of needing him to step in and hoping he doesn't blow the game.

The risk outweighs the reward a million to one because he's got a shitload of baggage with almost no upside. It literally makes zero sense to bring that to your locker room for the sake of him holding a clipboard.

If pacman jones was nothing more than a gunner on punt teams, he would've retired a very long time ago because nobody would want that kinda knucklehead for a spot that you can fill by paying veteran minimum to a quiet guy. It vontaze burficts talent level was comparable to an Albert McClellan, he wouldn't be allowed on the field, because the risk of a 15 yard flag outweighs the nonexistent reward.

It's really very simple to anyone with a sound mind, you, however, see the world in black and white, literally, it's all a racial and political divide in your eyes. You know why mike Vick did something far far far worse and was starting his first year of reinstatement? Because he was talented and wasn't a divisive backup.
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The only part I disagree about this whole thing is Vick not being a divisive backup. There were a lot of Steelers fans that were completely against him being signed with them based on his controversy. I know you can't compare the dog fighting scandal to Kaep kneeling, but you get my point (hopefully).
 
cobrajet said:
I don't know, I guess for me it is personal. Kap's recent tweet calling police "slave catchers" is very offensive for me because of all my years as a police officer. If someone is calling you a "slave catcher" how could you not be offended? I am sure that many African-American Ravens fans would be upset if the organization talked about signing Riley Cooper to our team after that video of him saying that very offensive word. I am not African-American, but I would never want that guy on the Ravens team, no matter how good a receiver he is. I know there is a large percent of people that don't like police, but that don't make Kap's comments any less offensive but because he is not offending them, they don't really care. Honestly I don't think that is the right attitude to have. Many police really try hard to help the community they serve and many have risk their safety being too nice (I swear). I will admit there are some bad apples, but they know not to do stupid stuff around me because I do not tolerate it. I think we all can agree that standing up for something important is noble, but if you don't think Kap calling police officers "slave catchers" has the potential to get a decent police officer hurt, IMHO you are not being fair. For me, that is just wrong and I don't want to see my police officer friends hurt because of what Kap could incite. I know some people have said to me, you know the risks of the job and you get paid well to do it and if you are worried about the danger you can quit anytime. I do not even know what to say to that. I know some people are saying that Kap, who made 12 million last year gave about $700,000 to charity so he is a great guy. If Riley Cooper gave a good amount to charity, would the majority of African-American Ravens fans still not want him on our team? I can't say I would blame them, and he publicly apologized for being offensive where Kap has not. I guess I am just trying to explain why I do not like the guy and don't want him on the Ravens, but like I said it is a little more personal because he actually offended me directly.
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I honestly dont have a problem with with cooper. I feel like his remarks were just out of rage of some sort. But i respect how you feel. Kap did go to far with some of BS he said. Its his own fault so i dont feel bad for ass but i feel like all he had to do keep jis mouth shut and poof
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
If kaep was starter material he would be on a team and starting despite the antics.

The problem is, the starting qb is the face of the franchise, and qb controversies are incredibly distracting and sometimes divide a team and ruin seasons. You can't have that kind of divisive rhetoric from a guy who is sitting on the bench and not even contributing. Now if he is capable of starting and winning 10 games(he isn't) then the antics become more acceptable because he's winning.

You sign kaepernick as a backup, you gain nothing except a media circus, a cap loss, and a slim chance of needing him to step in and hoping he doesn't blow the game.

The risk outweighs the reward a million to one because he's got a shitload of baggage with almost no upside. It literally makes zero sense to bring that to your locker room for the sake of him holding a clipboard.

If pacman jones was nothing more than a gunner on punt teams, he would've retired a very long time ago because nobody would want that kinda knucklehead for a spot that you can fill by paying veteran minimum to a quiet guy. It vontaze burficts talent level was comparable to an Albert McClellan, he wouldn't be allowed on the field, because the risk of a 15 yard flag outweighs the nonexistent reward.

It's really very simple to anyone with a sound mind, you, however, see the world in black and white, literally, it's all a racial and political divide in your eyes. You know why mike Vick did something far far far worse and was starting his first year of reinstatement? Because he was talented and wasn't a divisive backup.
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this situation is all racial and political divide in my eyes yes! The world? No. Vick the paid the ultimate price for his mistakes so his situation was different. If kap was to getsuspended that wouldve pleased a lot of fans. Id rather him get suspended than to be out of a job for the rest of his career tbh.
 
Dom McRaven said:
The only part I disagree about this whole thing is Vick not being a divisive backup. There were a lot of Steelers fans that were completely against him being signed with them based on his controversy. I know you can't compare the dog fighting scandal to Kaep kneeling, but you get my point (hopefully).
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I was referring to his time in philly when he was still starter material, he fell off shortly after(when he joined Pitt)but his first few years in philly was another story
 
Deebo813 said:
this situation is all racial and political divide in my eyes yes! The world? No. Vick the paid the ultimate price for his mistakes so his situation was different. If kap was to getsuspended that wouldve pleased a lot of fans. Id rather him get suspended than to be out of a job for the rest of his career tbh.
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You're wrong though. How can you be so blinded by hatred that you can't see multiple dimensions of this? His actions have an impact, absolutely, nobody is denying it, BUT if he were talented enough to be a starting qb in this league then nobody would give a shit. Nobody wants that backlash from a guy who most likely won't see the goddamn field.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
You're wrong though. How can you be so blinded by hatred that you can't see multiple dimensions of this? His actions have an impact, absolutely, nobody is denying it, BUT if he were talented enough to be a starting qb in this league then nobody would give a shit. Nobody wants that backlash from a guy who most likely won't see the goddamn field.
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Yes his talent doesnt over come the baggage that he brings i agree.. im only saying that if it wasnt for his retarded remarks and what he did, he would 100% percent be signed. But to say he is not signed cause he is trash is just crazy. I dnt think you were the one saying that though
 
Inqui said:
Had Wilson or Newton done it I imagine the teams would have put out a statement through the coach saying they support the player's right to express himself in a non-harmful way and that the views don't necessarily reflect the view of the organisation and blah blah blah. There's kind of a scale with that stuff where teams are more interested in whether you're good enough to outweigh your potential baggage (so if Newton or Wilson shot someone and told reporters "I'm glad I killed the bastard" that kind of baggage wouldn't outweigh their talent and they'd be gone within an hour of making the comment). The whole protest stuff and the distraction that's caused is on a much lower end of the scale, but so is Kaepernick's talent. So when people say "Kap's getting black-balled because of his views and everything" and when others say "Kap can't get a job because he sucks", they're both right.

Where did you see the biggest reason for decline being the protests? I saw a recent survey that might have been the same one, and aside from being slightly disturbed by what that suggests (the protests being a more prominently cited reason than the domestic violence issues) I'm not a huge fan of response surveys like that because actions and words tend to be different things (my thoughts are the same on those exit polls people take after elections). That and viewership's been falling in pretty much every major sports league (the Premier League fell by 14 per cent last season) and people going from watching to not watching tends to be more complicated than one factor.
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I would imagine that the team would want to silence the protests of major players if they were going to take a hit, but I also don't think a super high profile player like that would do that. I think Kaep was protesting a view that MANY players feel (if not the majority), but I bet most would not as to not be a distraction or cause potential rife in the front office.

I saw it from ESPN.
 
Lost_In_Translation said:
See my point? It's clearly a combination of the two. Whether you think it's the protest that's the bigger problem is your opinion: mine is that him not being that good clearly plays a bigger role.
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I can agree him not being very good is an issue. I do think a team could vastly benefit from what he could bring to a team. Like I said, there's several teams he'd be an upgrade on. No, he's not in the top half of the league.

But I do think the protests are the biggest reason. Had he not had those protests, he'd be on a team right now.
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
I can agree him not being very good is an issue. I do think a team could vastly benefit from what he could bring to a team. Like I said, there's several teams he'd be an upgrade on. No, he's not in the top half of the league.

But I do think the protests are the biggest reason. Had he not had those protests, he'd be on a team right now.
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I would agree that he would be on a team, probably competing for a starting spot if he did not go to the degree he did with his protests. IMHO, you can fight for a cause and stand up for something you believe in, but you just turn a lot of people off if you are disrespectful in the process.
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
I would imagine that the team would want to silence the protests of major players if they were going to take a hit, but I also don't think a super high profile player like that would do that. I think Kaep was protesting a view that MANY players feel (if not the majority), but I bet most would not as to not be a distraction or cause potential rife in the front office.

I saw it from ESPN.
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Yeah, a top player would feel like they had more to lose, but for argument's sake if they felt strongly enough about it I don't think the team would do an awful lot to shut them down. Kneeling for the anthem isn't any worse than what Adrian Peterson or Ray Rice did, and they were talented enough to keep their jobs for a while (as someone else said, we didn't cut Ray until the tape came out).

I saw the same study somewhere else, and I have a few issues with the way that survey was done and interpreted. The survey asked people "who attended either one football, basketball or hockey game", which narrows it down right there (it's possible that even more people than that, who simply watched the games on TV but never attended, tuned out due to the protests but it's also possible that fewer did). It also came with a pretty big caveat:

J.D. Power noted that only 12 percent of the fans it surveyed said they watched fewer NFL games last season, with 27 percent of people saying they watched more and 62 percent saying they watched just as much as they had the season before.
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So that 26 per cent was actually 26 per cent of the 12 per cent who said they watched less of their sport (whatever that means), while 27 per cent of people surveyed said they watched more (about nine times as many people who said they stopped watching and that it was because of the protests).

That and, like I say, I'm not a fan of response surveys like that since they tend to gauge what the respondents want to tell you rather than what's actually going on (no one's going to say they stopped watching because their team sucks even if that were an option in the poll, but despite that 22 per cent of respondents in the Chicago market said they watched fewer games, while that was 6 per cent in Boston and a 35 per cent increase in Dallas). Lastly, the poll was done online so the respondents are likely to be self-selecting.

TL;DR: another reason to pile on ESPN for shoddy reporting. :p
 
Inqui said:
Yeah, a top player would feel like they had more to lose, but for argument's sake if they felt strongly enough about it I don't think the team would do an awful lot to shut them down. Kneeling for the anthem isn't any worse than what Adrian Peterson or Ray Rice did, and they were talented enough to keep their jobs for a while (as someone else said, we didn't cut Ray until the tape came out).

I saw the same study somewhere else, and I have a few issues with the way that survey was done and interpreted. The survey asked people "who attended either one football, basketball or hockey game", which narrows it down right there (it's possible that even more people than that, who simply watched the games on TV but never attended, tuned out due to the protests but it's also possible that fewer did). It also came with a pretty big caveat:


So that 26 per cent was actually 26 per cent of the 12 per cent who said they watched less of their sport (whatever that means), while 27 per cent of people surveyed said they watched more (about nine times as many people who said they stopped watching and that it was because of the protests).

That and, like I say, I'm not a fan of response surveys like that since they tend to gauge what the respondents want to tell you rather than what's actually going on (no one's going to say they stopped watching because their team sucks even if that were an option in the poll, but despite that 22 per cent of respondents in the Chicago market said they watched fewer games, while that was 6 per cent in Boston and a 35 per cent increase in Dallas). Lastly, the poll was done online so the respondents are likely to be self-selecting.

TL;DR: another reason to pile on ESPN for shoddy reporting. :p
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Also! That choice was an option on a survey. It's not as though people volunteered that as their answer. Dudes probably saw that option, started salivating and convulsing with anger, and picked it.
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
Kaep to the Jets.

Figured it was only a matter of time.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/FakeSportsCentr/status/891364151976710145

If this is where you got it from it's a fake.

That said, given the incompetence of the Jets organization this really wouldn't surprise me. Let's put a potential massive PR nightmare in the largest sports market in the country. Brilliant! Also QB battle of the century up there.
I mean they did take in Tim Tebow several years ago and put up with Rex Ryan. Now he'll be forced to play the patriots twice a year and be an utter whipping boy for Bill Bellicheck was he continues his Darth Vadar force choke on the rest of the AFC East. Good job New York Jets, you've forced me to cheer for a QB that I utterly have despised since our most recent super bowl.

Side note: if Kaepernick hypothetically beat the patriots somehow this season id buy @Truth and @RavensMania a steak dinner with an $100 bottle of red wine to share.

Seriously, when will that franchise ever be good again?
 
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Kaep is a freakin moron. Of course his crusade is part of the reason he isn't signed. He hasn't been good if late. But it is more to it than disrespecting the flag and people that defended his right to do that. The dumbass is a QB!! A QB is supposed to be bringing the team together. And Kaep is dividing his team by bringing up a controversial subject. And I'm not so sure he didn't do so for selfish reasons. He was attracting attention standing out after he lost his starting job for playing like total shit.

As for my opinion on all this. He is wrong. His stance implies there is an epidemic of police being unfair and using their power to bully. He implied it is the nature and normal behavior of police officers. Like that is the culture here in America. When a rare occasion like that happens. It isn't a shining example of racist culture in America. It is one person or one police officer being a jerk. It isn't racist culture. It's one person being mean to a fellow person. If one person mistreats somebody of a different race. It isn't racist opression. It is one person being mean to somebody. The media is causing racial divide by running to create a story to fit their narrative. And that narrative is to sensationalize an incident and imply America is an epidemic of racist oppressive culture. Media can't wait to blurt out white cop shot black male. To imply unjust force caused by racial behavior. And the media knows it is implying this!! Before it even has any details of an incident. And all it is doing is causing racial edginess for all races. Kaep is supposed to be bringing his team together. Not bringing tension and divide by bringing up touchy subjects and disrespecting people who defended his right to protest. What if a teammate lost a grandparent in WW2?? Did Kaep consider there will be divided opinions on it?? Did he care?? He divided his team. As a leader on the ultimate team sport!! It is a negative attitude.

He chooses to focus on the negative. And ignoring the positive far outweighs the negative. Kaep doesn't want or even know how for that matter to enjoy being paid millions to play a sport. That a black person and any person has that opportunity in America. Nor That millions of white people pay $100 for jerseys of their favorite black players he idolizes and proudly wear it. NO!! He wants to focus on the negative. And imply it is worse and more common than it actually is. I mean seriously
 
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It would make sense. But the Jets are the absolute last place any potential negative PR generator should go.... Somtimes it seems like management gives more of a damn there about drama then actually winning games. That said he'd be the starter. It's a good thing he was two utter studs to throw to in Decker and Marshall..... oh wait. Well the oline is good right? Clady can hold down the fort? Wait... forte is still a stud? He's getting old you say?

Yeah. Truth be told I'd rather go be a backup elsewhere then play for the Jets. Then again they were my team in draft a franchise.... so I hold a particular bias against them.
 
Personally I wouldn't object to Kaepernick going to Cleveland though. Sure, the fit is poor, and he wouldn't fit in, but I'd love to see Suggs and Williams plant his face into the ground twice a year while the Browns go total Browns and keep him around and never draft a QB.
 
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