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The Lamar Jackson, the Cincinnati Bengals, and the Walt Coleman

To anyone who said "Marty is important to Lamar's development"... No. You're wrong on all accounts and here is why.

1. Firstly, why is Boyle still the main guy? Andrews is clearly the best TE on the roster currently, and Hayden Hurst isn't going to get better if we don't use him. Hurst had fantastic hands in college and is still solid across the board, and Andrews honestly needs no introduction as @OriolesMagicPlease is ready to leave her husband at a moment's notice for him. The receiving corps is improved and Snead in particular looks like a fantastic fit with Lamar, but the two TE sets plus the read option with Lamar should be borderline impossible to stop if Lamar ever realizes his potential.
2. Furthermore I do not like the fact that we aren't throwing deep. I think this shows to everyone that it's not a Flacco thing, it's a Marty thing. Pitchforks down Lamar lovers and Flacco haters, Flacco has been playing like ass. John Brown is still the best WR on the team, but we should be using Chris Moore and Hayden Hurst to throw deep. "But Lamar can't throw deep accurately". He has the arm strength, make the defense respect it. We were playing with a highly conservative playbook and taking deep shots would open it up, and would make the safety's job hell on the defensive front. You send the safety down, you do a boot with Lamar deep to god knows who and if he's back he can tear you apart.
3. Personel personel personel. We've been saying it from the beginning. Orlando Brown Jr. Was fantastic.. Should have been starting from day one and has legit all pro potential. Ronnie Stanley is a warrior and is underrated around the league. Yanda is Yanda but the remainder of the interior is horrible. But it's not just us choosing Boyle over Andrews and Hurst, it's also us choosing to play Crabtree over Moore even if I think Crabtree is a good piece to help Lamar grow over time. Furthermore, Lamar is good in the short area, why not use Ty Montgomery in the passing game more? It's why we got him.


It's what I've been saying from the start. We need to do nothing but bolster the trenches this offseason. We fix this line and Lamar continues to make strides in his development(seriously, he's come a long way), we could be a dangerous ballclub sometime within the next two seasons. The foundation is there, and we will have the money. Building it with a new coach shouldn't be too difficult.

If Harbaugh is leaving, thank god. Please keep Roman(in fact, institute him as the OC) and Urban.. The rest of the staff can go too, especially Marty.
 
Adreme said:
I have to assume that the reason he wasn't throwing any was because they knew he couldn't. They have seen more plays from him then we have after all
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This is an absolutely terrible assumption. If the run game is working so well why throw more than you have to? If pass pro is horrible why throw it more than you have to? If they don’t trust him why not play RG3? I could go on for days.

But I get it, you just need reasons for joe to come back.
 
cobrajet said:
Did you see how pumpthe team was after the game And in the locker room? It was pretty cool.
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Saw them jump Humph on the sidelines after he broke up the pass. I bet it was like a shit ton of bricks falling off their shoulders!
 
Adreme said:
I have to assume that the reason he wasn't throwing any was because they knew he couldn't. They have seen more plays from him then we have after all
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Really? I think it had more to do with getting him going and the run game established. They began running and when the Bengals couldn't stop them, they continued running! I think that is great play calling. Why fuck something up when it's working? He is a rookie and sure they treated him with kid gloves. Appreciate that he got a TD on his first NFL drive man!
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
I hate this argument. I’m sure you and others said the same thing about hurst starting over brown, or Carr starting over Humphrey last year. Time and time again we clamor for a younger player to start, people say “coaches know better than we do” and then we see said player get a chance and flourish.
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No I didnt say that about Hurst starting over Brown but by all means continue your straw man argument.

The big difference between them is that people got to SEE Brown do a good job playing RT during the preseason. The fanbase wanted Brown to start because he LOOKED better. It is not like he played like shit in the preseason, but people were clamoring for him to start regardless of that. THAT would be equivalent of what happened with Jackson. Jackson showed he can't do a thing when playing the actual game so until he does the thing I am not going to assume he suddenly can and trust that nothing has changed in that regard.

I am also sure Lamar Jackson throws the deep ball at practice and if he were throwing it well they would probably call those plays or at least one of them but it did not happen so the only people who have seen whether Lamar Jackson has gained a skill that he did not previously have would be the coaches.
 
Ellicottraven said:
Really? I think it had more to do with getting him going and the run game established. They began running and when the Bengals couldn't stop them, they continued running! I think that is great play calling. Why fuck something up when it's working? He is a rookie and sure they treated him with kid gloves. Appreciate that he got a TD on his first NFL drive man!
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The run game was established pretty early on. After the offense stalled for awhile in game, you would think maybe let the future franchise QB throw the ball but they didn't which means they clearly don't think his long ball is ready yet. He didn't need it this week and there is still time to work on it but they clearly didn't feel it was ready.
 
Adreme said:
No I didnt say that about Hurst starting over Brown but by all means continue your straw man argument.

The big difference between them is that people got to SEE Brown do a good job playing RT during the preseason. The fanbase wanted Brown to start because he LOOKED better. It is not like he played like shit in the preseason, but people were clamoring for him to start regardless of that. THAT would be equivalent of what happened with Jackson. Jackson showed he can't do a thing when playing the actual game so until he does the thing I am not going to assume he suddenly can and trust that nothing has changed in that regard.

I am also sure Lamar Jackson throws the deep ball at practice and if he were throwing it well they would probably call those plays or at least one of them but it did not happen so the only people who have seen whether Lamar Jackson has gained a skill that he did not previously have would be the coaches.
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Even if he is not connecting on it accurately, doing so would open the rest of the playbook. There's literally no reason not to call them, especially since he's proven to have more than a strong enough arm to do it. It's just incompentence. Josh Allen's deep ball and accuracy was worse and yet they still called it.
 
Adreme said:
The run game was established pretty early on. After the offense stalled for awhile in game, you would think maybe let the future franchise QB throw the ball but they didn't which means they clearly don't think his long ball is ready yet. He didn't need it this week and there is still time to work on it but they clearly didn't feel it was ready.
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Well if that is the way you feel it's fine I guess. But as far as I can tell, this was the game plan. Run the ball on the first possession till they stop you. They didn't so they kept running till they got a TD....
 
Lost_In_Translation said:
Even if he is not connecting on it accurately, doing so would open the rest of the playbook. There's literally no reason not to call them, especially since he's proven to have more than a strong enough arm to do it. It's just incompentence. Josh Allen's deep ball and accuracy was worse and yet they still called it.
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Most young QBs have a limited playbook to get them comfortable. I can understand why they didn’t air it out, but I would have liked to see it.
 
Lost_In_Translation said:
Even if he is not connecting on it accurately, doing so would open the rest of the playbook. There's literally no reason not to call them, especially since he's proven to have more than a strong enough arm to do it. It's just incompentence. Josh Allen's deep ball and accuracy was worse and yet they still called it.
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Imitating the Bills just feels like a bad idea to me.

What they were doing worked. The Bengals defense has just seemingly lost it for the past 5-6 games so just powering it down there throats was a good game plan and trust the defense to hold.

Oakland will probably be more of the same because there run Defense is awful but if Flacco cannot go by the time ATL is up then I would expect the game plan to open up.
 
Adreme said:
No I didnt say that about Hurst starting over Brown but by all means continue your straw man argument.

The big difference between them is that people got to SEE Brown do a good job playing RT during the preseason. The fanbase wanted Brown to start because he LOOKED better. It is not like he played like shit in the preseason, but people were clamoring for him to start regardless of that. THAT would be equivalent of what happened with Jackson. Jackson showed he can't do a thing when playing the actual game so until he does the thing I am not going to assume he suddenly can and trust that nothing has changed in that regard.

I am also sure Lamar Jackson throws the deep ball at practice and if he were throwing it well they would probably call those plays or at least one of them but it did not happen so the only people who have seen whether Lamar Jackson has gained a skill that he did not previously have would be the coaches.
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I wasn’t trying to specifically say that YOU were saying that, but that a lot of people in general make that argument and a lot of people were saying that exact thing in that case.

And this wasn’t about throwing deep balls, it’s about throwing more period, the WRs were yelling at the coaches to let him throw it more, do we really wanna trust Marty who is a known moron over the players who have been catching balls from him all this time? These players are on the field with him, they know better, they have an actual feel for playing with lamar, Marty is just going off of the eye test and his own instinct which has proven to be an unreliable source in his case. If not for the sideline argument about the lack of aggression, I wouldn’t have an opinion either way, but knowing the WRs were asking for more passing is a bit telling that they trust lamar to throw it more.
 
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