Nah don't think so.
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The Nightmare, the Turnovers and the Season's Over
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I appreciate the optimism, but Monken isn't better than MacDonald.
Its absolutely consistent with how the NFL has called plays like for 20 years. Every single hail mary has clear and obvious PI but they will never call it because when there are that many players in a pile you need to commit far more obvious than what was shown to even consider it. It is yet another reason you do not throw into triple coverage.
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I’m gearing up for the painful off season we’re about to have while all the other teams around us get better. We blew it
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After sleeping on it…
I’m still incredibly pissed at whatever that trash game plan was on offense. When has it ever been a good idea to completely abandon your identity in a playoff game? What made Harbaugh, Monken and Co. think, “Lamar is a pocket passer and we’re going to depend on his arm.” was good game plan? Six running plays with the running backs in the entire game. Just shameful how bad that game plan was.
I’m still incredibly pissed at whatever that trash game plan was on offense. When has it ever been a good idea to completely abandon your identity in a playoff game? What made Harbaugh, Monken and Co. think, “Lamar is a pocket passer and we’re going to depend on his arm.” was good game plan? Six running plays with the running backs in the entire game. Just shameful how bad that game plan was.
Well, that's not a hail mary, so we can stop mentioning that.
It is the same situation though. The reason that no DPIs are called on hail mary's is not because of the situation but because you have a bunch of players all around the ball going for it. You can do a hail mary on the 4th play of the game and it is still a hail mary.
You are just never going to get that PI call unless you reach the hail mary PI standard which that clearly was not, and not even close to it. In 20 years I can count on one hand the amount of times I have seen PI called on plays like that.
no, the definition of a hail mary is at the end of the half or end of the game when the time is running out. That is the clear definition of a hail mary. If it's done at any other point in the game those penalties get called and have been called.
The Hail Mary was made famous because Roger Staubach through a desperation pass to Drew Pearson and said a hail mary. That is what a Hail Mary is in football.
Hail Mary is not determined by the time left but by the throw itself. He threw it up to 4 people (3 of whom were on the other team). That is a Hail Mary. When there are 4 people competing for the ball you are not going to get PI. The past 20 years of football says so. Now maybe you want to argue the NFL has been calling it wrong for 20 years but that seems like a thing to argue in the offseason that they should change the points of emphasis rather than suddenly do a 180 in the AFC Championship game.
20 years of watching 5 games a week, plus highlights, and I can count on 1 hand the amount of times throwing it up into a pile of 4 people and you see any attempt to call PI. As an aside I see PI in those situations well over half the time but again the refs are not going to call that.
In a hail mary, we generally see several players and defenders all jockeying for position and fighting for the ball that's coming with players in position.
This is comparable only in numbers (sorta), but there were two defenders not playing the ball and one outright tackled Likely.
It isn't 1 to 1.
and I was watching football before you were born as many games as you have. I saw that first hail mary that Roger Staubach through also.
they did know
they did cover him (well in most cases)
he and mahomes were just elite on the margins of those critical plays - kelce made 2 or 3 miraculous catches in situations that required elite body adjustments for a TE, and he did
yep and that's why Kelce is one of the best TEs to play the game.
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Well except its not equally problematic when most of the structures of the rulebook are designed to enhance scoring.
I didnt pick 20 years to "measure" our knowledge of football. I picked that timeframe because it was about when the NFL started to shift the rules about what you can and cannot do to WRs.
Even in the modern NFL there are 2 times when you will almost never see PI called. One is when there are a bunch of bodies all going for the ball, which is most commonly in a hail mary but also occurs when you throw it up into triple coverage and all of them are around the ball. The second, though not relevant here, is when you can argue both the WR and defender were committing PI. You almost never see offsetting PI. Generally when both sides are shoving each other they will just let the play go.
Now the second obviously does not apply but in both cases nowhere in the rulebook is that stated but yet in both cases you know that those are the rules.
Well there's the issue- the two primary defenders on Likely were absolutely not playing the ball, so it doesn't fit that criteria.
So there were not a bunch of bodies around the ball within a yard of it? That is the first criteria. The second one does not apply but the first one clearly does. They played it exactly like a Hail Mary because if I showed you a clip of a Hail Mary and a clip of that play you would probably think they are the same clip (except for the jersey's changing color/number of course).
"One is when there are a bunch of bodies all going for the ball."
This is what you said. Two defenders were not going for the ball. One was outright tackling Likely and the other likely interferes if Likely isn't going down.
Ha, no, I wouldn't think that throw to Likely was a hail mary in the slightest.
I didn't say they call pass interference during hail marys because they don't. However that wasn't a hail mary.....not even close. They tackled Likely...it was a penalty that wasn't called. I'll let you have the last word if you'd like to respond.