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The 2024 Offseason Thread

Simba said:
Or you know, he could learn from his mistakes. Just like every single NFL coach in the entire history of the league has an opportunity to do.

This is an absolutely foolish argument to be honest. You’re making an entire judgment of a man based off of one game (that also happens to be the most recent) and not his body of work. Maybe he doesn’t learn and he has to pay the price for that. But that is far from the current reality.
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Lolol I was gonna also put this retort in there too to cover my bases but got lazy. Guess I should've.

I typed out a whole big thing just now, but I erased it because it's just not worth it. I just don't care anymore.

Thanks for the thoughts though! (that's not sarcasm. I appreciate people engaging)
 
allblackraven said:
Agholor all year looked like he could be used a lot more. He played really well. Someone will pay him more than Ravens can afford.
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agholor really fit into the huddle well too
i just think of how he selflessly drew the safety on the long 3rd and goal Zay flowers TD in the Rams game - how he told lamar in the huddle that he'd go hard at the safety to make space for zay in behind
 
On the topic of Monken (and that was... certainly a discussion...)

Throughout the season, the play calling felt very uneven. Obviously, I think a lot will change in year two as Monken is more comfortable with the offense, as he seemed to really try everything and anything in season.

I will say, though- a lot seemed predicated on Lamar's ability to create off script. If he Monken had a Joe Flacco type that can't create off script and has to stay in structure, how does he look? I don't think that's a totally fair argument because the offense likely has way different play calling with a Flacco type, but I do think Lamar aided Monken a lot.

It is amusing to me that quite a few people joked that the offense during the Jaguars game actually hummed along better than we'd seen all season when the communication was down.

Still, Monken isn't going anywhere, and I don't expect him to. In the back half of the season, in a really tough stretch, the Ravens were one of the most efficient passing offenses in the NFL and I think the offense would benefit a lot from having another legitimate running threat (I love Keaton, but he's not the bell cow you can run through the tackles at a full workload.)

I also am interested to see how Monken looks if the offense fully caters to having his guys (I don't think Ricard is re-signed with Monken here, don't think Faalale is drafted, as examples.) Monken took over for an offense that was largely catered to Roman's style of offense. Have to think this offense will start to mold itself and look very different year two.

I'm not going to suggest Monken will 100% be the guy who should stay around for a while, but I really do think judging him off of one game is ridiculous and I really actually like that he tried everything under the sun to figure out what worked instead of trying to force what wasn't.
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
On the topic of Monken (and that was... certainly a discussion...)

Throughout the season, the play calling felt very uneven. Obviously, I think a lot will change in year two as Monken is more comfortable with the offense, as he seemed to really try everything and anything in season.

I will say, though- a lot seemed predicated on Lamar's ability to create off script. If he Monken had a Joe Flacco type that can't create off script and has to stay in structure, how does he look? I don't think that's a totally fair argument because the offense likely has way different play calling with a Flacco type, but I do think Lamar aided Monken a lot.

It is amusing to me that quite a few people joked that the offense during the Jaguars game actually hummed along better than we'd seen all season when the communication was down.

Still, Monken isn't going anywhere, and I don't expect him to. In the back half of the season, in a really tough stretch, the Ravens were one of the most efficient passing offenses in the NFL and I think the offense would benefit a lot from having another legitimate running threat (I love Keaton, but he's not the bell cow you can run through the tackles at a full workload.)

I also am interested to see how Monken looks if the offense fully caters to having his guys (I don't think Ricard is re-signed with Monken here, don't think Faalale is drafted, as examples.) Monken took over for an offense that was largely catered to Roman's style of offense. Have to think this offense will start to mold itself and look very different year two.

I'm not going to suggest Monken will 100% be the guy who should stay around for a while, but I really do think judging him off of one game is ridiculous and I really actually like that he tried everything under the sun to figure out what worked instead of trying to force what wasn't.
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this offseason will be very telling with how we retool the offence

mitchell definitely fits in any system as a change of pace back but the full workload isnt going to go through him clearly as you say

Ricard clearly had a major role in this offence, hard not to imagine ways to get him involved in any scheme given his versatility and effectiveness in run blocking and pass pro both but would be a big statement about the future of the offence if they cut him for those cap savings

The kinds of RBs and OL they go after this offseason should be quite telling too - we're not going to throw gap scheme/power out of the playbook but we might be looking at OL who are better lateral movers and slightly different styles of runners to integrate some more inside zone and wide zone plays... although keaton mitchell might be the guy who fits in that running style for us (but hard to design an offence around a former udfa going into year 2 and coming off a significant injury)

The kinds of WRs we look at as well - Zay is clearly a guy they want to build the passing game around but what sort of guys might complement him - Bateman's more of a guy who works in the intermediate and deep part of the field and works well off the release and working vertically... he was consistently getting open but they struggled to get the ball to him for all sorts of reasons and I wonder what style of guys we might target to bolster this WR corps around Zay
 
Grim said:
Agholor is who I would want back between the two. I was actually surprised by him this year. He looked good and won’t cost anywhere near as much. Now if Odell signed a lot cheaper then sure but I think Aaron will want him with him.
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Agholor looked very good this year but I do worry about giving agholor another shot… how many years does he have hands?
 
rossihunter2 said:
Ricard clearly had a major role in this offence, hard not to imagine ways to get him involved in any scheme given his versatility and effectiveness in run blocking and pass pro both but would be a big statement about the future of the offence if they cut him for those cap savings
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Ricard played 39% of the snaps and had a fairly inconsistent role. His snaps seemed to take a slight uptick with the Andrews injury (makes sense as they needed an additional inline blocker.)

I'd imagine quite a few of his snaps were short yardage or goal line snaps.

I don't think his role is irreplaceable or even that valuable to the Monken offense. I'd imagine a sixth offensive lineman could fill a similar spot on the goal line/short yardage runs.

I'm iffy on if he's cut in 2024, but I don't think he's re-signed in 2025.
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
Ricard played 39% of the snaps and had a fairly inconsistent role. His snaps seemed to take a slight uptick with the Andrews injury (makes sense as they needed an additional inline blocker.)

I'd imagine quite a few of his snaps were short yardage or goal line snaps.

I don't think his role is irreplaceable or even that valuable to the Monken offense. I'd imagine a sixth offensive lineman could fill a similar spot on the goal line/short yardage runs.

I'm iffy on if he's cut in 2024, but I don't think he's re-signed in 2025.
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ricard's snaps increased, ironically, as we saw an offensive uptick

not saying he's the reason for that, but was clearly part of the offensive improvement we saw down the stretch... part of it is how he was able to improve our pass pro

to suggest he can be replaced by a 6th OL is a bit silly tbh
 
rossihunter2 said:
ricard's snaps increased, ironically, as we saw an offensive uptick

not saying he's the reason for that, but was clearly part of the offensive improvement we saw down the stretch... part of it is how he was able to improve our pass pro

to suggest he can be replaced by a 6th OL is a bit silly tbh
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I don't think Ricard sees an uptick in snaps without Andrews going down and we could argue the offensive uptick from the passing game was as much as Monken finally piecing it together (since the offense certainly hummed along in early season games, too.)

Worth noting the 2017 and 2018 Bucs and the 2019 Browns did not roster a fullback.

I don't think a fullback is something Monken feels he needs to prioritize in his offense.
 
SaltyDog said:
Agholor is a much better bargain with similar skills. Offering OBJ $4-$5 mil would probably be an insult to him, and even if he accepted an offer like that he wouldn’t be happy. So I think he gone.

I like the group we have minus OBJ, and like you say, bringing back Agholor and adding a rookie is probably how we roll.
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Well, at this point, if OBJ finds that insulting, he can just retire. I'm highly confident nobody in this league will pay him $10M a year, and I think most teams would be closer to the vet minimum than they would like the $7-8M range.

I think IF he continues to play he's going to take a one year deal, with a low annual, with a shit ton of incentives attached to it.
 
rossihunter2 said:
this offseason will be very telling with how we retool the offence

mitchell definitely fits in any system as a change of pace back but the full workload isnt going to go through him clearly as you say

Ricard clearly had a major role in this offence, hard not to imagine ways to get him involved in any scheme given his versatility and effectiveness in run blocking and pass pro both but would be a big statement about the future of the offence if they cut him for those cap savings

The kinds of RBs and OL they go after this offseason should be quite telling too - we're not going to throw gap scheme/power out of the playbook but we might be looking at OL who are better lateral movers and slightly different styles of runners to integrate some more inside zone and wide zone plays... although keaton mitchell might be the guy who fits in that running style for us (but hard to design an offence around a former udfa going into year 2 and coming off a significant injury)

The kinds of WRs we look at as well - Zay is clearly a guy they want to build the passing game around but what sort of guys might complement him - Bateman's more of a guy who works in the intermediate and deep part of the field and works well off the release and working vertically... he was consistently getting open but they struggled to get the ball to him for all sorts of reasons and I wonder what style of guys we might target to bolster this WR corps around Zay
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Agreed. The entire RB room I think will look different. Mitchell will be back, but that's a brutal injury later in the year. Him being available for training camp, I would guess, is a long shot, and I think he's a possible PUP guy also. Basically, can't depend on him. I think you'll see at least two new RBs in the room this offseason.

Agree on the Oline also. Think they're going to pursue more versatile lineman.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Agreed. The entire RB room I think will look different. Mitchell will be back, but that's a brutal injury later in the year. Him being available for training camp, I would guess, is a long shot, and I think he's a possible PUP guy also. Basically, can't depend on him. I think you'll see at least two new RBs in the room this offseason.

Agree on the Oline also. Think they're going to pursue more versatile lineman.
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they've always liked versatile guys but i wonder if the profiles they look at change a bit
we seem to get enamoured with some absolutely massive guys on the OL who are maybe less scheme flexible even if they grade out pretty athletically with Linderbaum being the clear outlier
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Agreed. The entire RB room I think will look different. Mitchell will be back, but that's a brutal injury later in the year. Him being available for training camp, I would guess, is a long shot, and I think he's a possible PUP guy also. Basically, can't depend on him. I think you'll see at least two new RBs in the room this offseason.

Agree on the Oline also. Think they're going to pursue more versatile lineman.
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it is a brutal injury and it all depends on how clean the ACL tear was. I don't think there was a meniscus tear or any other ligaments, so it could be a quicker recovery. We shall see, but it definitely is a question mark whether he will be ready for the season.
 
RavensMania said:
it is a brutal injury and it all depends on how clean the ACL tear was. I don't think there was a meniscus tear or any other ligaments, so it could be a quicker recovery. We shall see, but it definitely is a question mark whether he will be ready for the season.
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As long as he’s back and gets rolling before the playoffs it’s all good
 
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