Why is there an assumption that the Bills are desperate for an ILB though? They have plenty of other positions you could argue they need just as much if not more.
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2025 NFL Draft General Discussion
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he'd also be a ridiculous value at 27, would add pass rush value too - would be a defensive weapon to add to a toolsy front 7
he's also not going to be on the board so it's not an issue
completely different kind of LB tbh
if they're replacing milano stylistically, they won't be looking at campbell as a like for like swap
but also regardless of their desperation, one of the other teams ahead of the commanders would happily move back for way less than a 2nd round pick so no matter how desperate they are, they aren't giving up a 3rd let alone a 2nd
Ive been using the mock draft simulator here and there ..At one moment it actually involved the Bills offerring their first and second round pick to trade up for the ravens first round pick which eventually led to the bills drafting Jihad Campbell. That situation made me think on the possibility of thst happenings and I could see even the eagles calling the ravens if a guy like Nic Emmanwori was available.
It's not that I think the bills are desperate for a inside linebacker but if they had Jihad Campbell high on their board and he was in reach then I could see them potentially trading up to get him.
JoeyFlex5
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At some point, roster building should take priority, and that point is premium picks on non premium positions when you have a very high dollar player already playing there and playing well.
Not buying the pass rush value. Not to the point that a first round pick justifies it. He’s a LB who can occasionally move to generate a bit of pressure, he’s by no means an edge LB.
Also don’t necessarily buy that he’s a slam dunk early pick, it’s probable that he goes before 27 since it’s a shallow LB class, but I certainly don’t think it’s a guarantee.
As far as film evaluation goes I’ll defer to you, I’ve watched 2 games of his and yeah came away impressed but I could watch luke kuechly or Patrick Willis college film and still come away saying fuck no I don’t want an off ball LB. I just don’t think it would be a wise way to spend resources and we’re trying to get over a hump, not build a team from the ground up, so when there’s almost guaranteed to be a quality: edge, DL, G, or S, then we should probably go that route, just because they’re higher value positions.
I looked at 3mins of kyle hamilton and said the same thing.. you never know
at 27 you cant be quibbling about positional value and premium positions - if there's a bona fide top talent still available (especially in this class) you take that guy
im not sure there is guaranteed to be a quality edge/dl
it would also fill a position of need - not saying that we should actively be looking to fill that need with a high pick rookie, but why would i complain if the best guy on the board is also filling the only remaining open hole on the defence
he's gonna be ranked way higher than anybody who might play guard on my board (who's not going in the top 10)
seems like the same argument for not taking kyle hamilton (and again i think you're underestimating how multiple campbell's role would be in the same way that hamilton's not really encapsulated fully within the bounds of "safety" either)
you build around elite talents when you can find them - BPA works because you aren't passing up on better talents to take need positions or premium positions
Not with that off field history
im hoping he's long gone because the ravens won't be taking him with the sexual assault allegations in his background
Dom McRaven
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ARE YOU SAYING WE'D GET A JOEYFLEX MELTDOWN?!?!?!?
if we don't get a guard in R1, i think we might miss out completely looking at the way the board is stacking up
that's not me advocating for us to make sure we come out of R1 with a guard if there's better players there, but just preparing people for the possibility that we're going to roll into the offseason with vorhees as the presumptive LG with maybe a veteran addition to compete
that's not me advocating for us to make sure we come out of R1 with a guard if there's better players there, but just preparing people for the possibility that we're going to roll into the offseason with vorhees as the presumptive LG with maybe a veteran addition to compete
RaineV1
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I think there'll be chances to grab guys with great tools but really unrefined later on. Like the Georgia guards (Tattledge and Fairchild), or Jackson Slater. Just gotta take a swing with one of them and hope we can coach them up through the season.
i much prefer jared wilson to the 2 guys that played next to him at georgia
just not seeing a lot to love on a foundational level from those guys
maybe there's more guys ive not got to yet - but i don't see much to love from the OL class beyond R3 - certainly not guys i'd prefer to vorhees
think you could probably argue goff over prescott
and maybe jimmy g over derek carr
2012 was a sneaky good class in the end:
Andrew Luck
Russell Wilson
Kirk Cousins
Ryan Tannehill
RGIII won OROY
Nick Foles won a superbowl
i think the opting out of testing has gone way too far this year
not saying it's the be all end all
but GPS data only tells you so much
for positions like OL, EDGE, DL - the trenches basically, getting broad jumps and seeing 10 yard splits are real indicators of twitch and explosion on a level playing field vs the rest of the group - GPS data isn't going to give you those sorts of numbers in any usable way because assignments, level of competition, play design all change how you actually end up moving from point a to b on the field
im not saying not to watch the film, but testing really is an important cross-checking/benchmarking exercise
this year too many guys just pretended to have some muscle tightness
or said things like "the tape speaks for itself" - when the tape asks questions like... "how explosive/twitchy actually are you?"
guys i really wish had done more of the testing:
jalon walker
nic scourton
jt tuimoloau
bradyn swinson
quincy riley
colston loveland
tyler warren
alfred collins
the nic scourton one, i really would have loved for him to have done literally anything... even if he just did the jumps, at least JT tuimoloau did the jumps and the shuttle
not saying it's the be all end all
but GPS data only tells you so much
for positions like OL, EDGE, DL - the trenches basically, getting broad jumps and seeing 10 yard splits are real indicators of twitch and explosion on a level playing field vs the rest of the group - GPS data isn't going to give you those sorts of numbers in any usable way because assignments, level of competition, play design all change how you actually end up moving from point a to b on the field
im not saying not to watch the film, but testing really is an important cross-checking/benchmarking exercise
this year too many guys just pretended to have some muscle tightness
or said things like "the tape speaks for itself" - when the tape asks questions like... "how explosive/twitchy actually are you?"
guys i really wish had done more of the testing:
jalon walker
nic scourton
jt tuimoloau
bradyn swinson
quincy riley
colston loveland
tyler warren
alfred collins
the nic scourton one, i really would have loved for him to have done literally anything... even if he just did the jumps, at least JT tuimoloau did the jumps and the shuttle
NFL Draft: The best first-round pick in each spot, 1 to 32, in the past decade | FOX Sports
Who are the best of the best? We identify the premier first-round pick at each slot, No. 1 to No. 32, over the past 10 NFL Drafts.
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a lot of ravens on this list
"Some final notes: The Ravens had the most players named here, with five players chosen as the best at their slot and nine total named including honorable mentions. The only other team with even five total players named was the Chargers (5), ahead of six teams that had four each. Out of 32 teams, all but one (Cardinals) had at least one player chosen among our 96 picks."
allblackraven
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I hope they never do a second round.NFL Draft: The best first-round pick in each spot, 1 to 32, in the past decade | FOX Sports
Who are the best of the best? We identify the premier first-round pick at each slot, No. 1 to No. 32, over the past 10 NFL Drafts.
a lot of ravens on this list
"Some final notes: The Ravens had the most players named here, with five players chosen as the best at their slot and nine total named including honorable mentions. The only other team with even five total players named was the Chargers (5), ahead of six teams that had four each. Out of 32 teams, all but one (Cardinals) had at least one player chosen among our 96 picks."