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That was kinda my thought. I just was perplexed that it was even a bill that was being proposed.
I think most people (outside of massive racists) are okay with legal immigration. It's just that the immigration process is long and arduous for those outside of the US and it's very likely that a lot of these immigrants have no idea how to even begin the process. I do understand that illegal immigration should be controlled because you need to screen all who come into your country, but I dislike the argument of them taking jobs or what ever. So many of them just want to do the hard labor jobs that take extremely long hours (like 60+ a week) and require a lot of physical exhaustion in any element. Like I said, I'm not one who wants to do jobs like construction and most people look down on those jobs, so I'm hardly one to complain about them taking jobs. I've never been like, "Damn, that illegal immigrant just took my microbiology research opportunity."First of all Happy New Year to everybody.This is my last post of 2017. Lets sweep in the new year.
Just wanted to touch on a couple things. First with immigration please understand I'm ok with legal immigration regardless of background. Legal immigration only. Also against chain migration. Its way too vast. I mean how many times do people get deported and keep coming back. Its a joke and yes a lot of our heroin epidemic here is caused by this laxness. Its just a fact. Sanctuary cities are also a joke and a slap in the face. According to the Constitution the federal govt controls naturalization which is immigration but lib judges for instance constantly went against the travel ban even tho it was finally granted by the Supreme court 7-2 . Sotomayer and Ginsberg were the nays and neither one gave a written reason as to why. I know I'm going a little offtrack but judges especially liberals are not following the code of law but going with their heart and their beliefs. For instance in Hawaii that judge used tourism and college entrancy as an excuse. Really? Then another time he used that Trump said Muslim ban as being racist even tho Noko and Venezuela were included. These are my opinions but I don't like the way libs seem to throw the Constitution out the window.
2nd with abortions I have said in previous I'm ok with my tax dollars going towards brth control and other safety measures for sex. To me its on the individual tho cuz they make their own decisions. See it shouldn't be a federal issue. It should belong to the states and their elected politicians say for example lets use Md. If the people elect a governor and the district councilman that believe in abortions then so be it then since the residents of Md would be taxed to pay for it. Remember the 10th amendment. I'm a strong believer in it. If you ever get the chance please look at the 18 enumerative powers the fed govt has according to the Constitution. Whats in that the fed gov controls and it includes naturalization and defense as 2 for example the rest goes to the states. To make amendments you need 2/3 of senate and house and 3/4 of states which is why you'll never see change to electoral college. No way you get 3/4 of states to agree to that.
As for Trump I believe the racism is way overblown. Yes I know about the apartment thing in 1973 but at the time it was his father running it and times were just different back then. Still wasn't right tho. As for the Mexican criminal/rapist thing the way he said it was tho theres a lot of good people in Mexico they're not sending their best and they're also letting criminals and rapists over. If you really look at that statement its not the best thing to say for sure but a true racist would hate all Mexicans. If you think about what comes illegally across the border and I can tell you right now its not doctors and scientists but lower level looking for better life and guess what criminals. As for the Muslim thing yes again not the proper way to say things but you gotta remember he's not a trained silver tongued lying lawyer politician. The point is right now those countries govts are in shambles and people there cannot be properly vetted. Just know he did not have to run for president. He could have sat back and been a fat cat enjoying the laws that make the rich rich not having his name drug thru the mud and under constant observation.
I also like the tweets and I know its coming from him and not somebody else putting words in his mouth.
I know you're gonna disagree with a lot I have said but that's why this is such a great country.....
Also, I think it's really misplaced to put the heroin epidemic onto immigrants. The number one state for heroin and opiates is West Virginia, more specifically areas like Huntington. My girlfriend is from that area and it is the whitest area you'll ever be in and is generally pretty racist. I can promise you that immigrants aren't migrating to WV and planting heroin there. I would say it is very naive to suggest that immigrants are the cause for that.
I was almost a poly sci major focusing on Con Law. If you ever want to discuss anything related to it, I'm always down, but I can guarantee that the judges aren't just throwing out the Constitution. They, much like myself, view the Constitution as a living, breathing document that needs to evolve with time and take that into account. This was written in the late 1700's. What was written then cannot always be taken literally as some want to do.
As far as I'm aware, federal funding cannot be used for abortions under Title X except in certain cases under the Hyde Amendment. Medicaid makes up most of the funding and that's generally through the states. It's a lot more state tax payer money than it is federal government money. But in any case, I can promise your federal tax payer money has gone to some really, really stupid things before. The Pentagon used $6M in taxpayer dollars air lifting like six rare cashmere goats to Afghanistan in an effort to help boost their economy. Yep, you paid $6M to airlift goats.
It's even beyond that, though. Think of Trump referring to Sen. Warren as Pocahontas in front of Indian Tribal Leaders. Think of his hard campaign against Obama and challenging his legitimacy. Think of how he was slower to respond to Hurricane Maria and said Puerto Ricans just want everything done for them. Think of the extremely slow response to Charlottesville. Think of how, in the after math, he cut funding from the Department of Homeland Security to combat extreme right wing racism (KKK, Neo-Nazis). Think of his remarks about Judge Curiel not being able to reside over his Trump University case because Curiel is of Mexican descent. No, Trump isn't out there waving a Nazi flag and sporting a KKK hood, but it's a lot of small things that add up.
I'll give it that his Twitter account has brought me many a laughs and made me raise a few eyebrows. Never a dull moment there.
And you are correct; we will disagree with just about everything. But it doesn't make me think less of you or dislike you. I just disagree with your view.
K-Dog
MVP
I am glad YOU realize this. It is amazing now few don't. People accuse me of being anti immigrant, and anti healthcare and this that and the other thing and nothing could be further from the truth. There is a right way to go about things and a wrong way to go about things. Simple as that. And yes, as a guy who has more than a few friends who have immigrated here LEGALLY I know all too well how jacked up the process is ( government,,,, go figure ) I don't know enough about the process either way to know if a solution even exists.
Listening to a talk show guy the other day....
He suggested the relationship with trump and his twidder feed is much like a cat and a laser pointer.
I kinda think he is on to something.....
I can see Trump laughing his ass off saying " Hey Meliena watch what happens when I post this !!!!! " or "Oooooooooh this will drive the left crazy !!! "
I mean really, the guy is too smart to be that dumb.
I don't know that there is an easy fix to immigration because America is a really popular destination to try to emigrate to. To actually conduct a thorough amount of research and screen every single one is time consuming. On the same token, though, I know a few people who came over through dingos and developed into a normal life. Never caused issues or raised a fit. And there are stories about people who legally come in and conduct a terrorist attack. Just no real perfect solution for a country that was built on open boarders.
I don't know; Trump just seems like he genuinely believes what comes out of his mouth. Most of what he posts is pretty well in line with the speeches he gives, so unless he's conducting the biggest troll job in American history, I think those tweets are genuine.
i mean no offence but ive not seen anything from trump off twitter to suggest that he's intelligent at all - and even if he is then he's an irresponsible person
as the president he has a responsibility to all of his citizens - it would be immature and unpresidential and frankly unfair for him to goad his own citizens
so for me he's either dumb or he's evil or completely irresponsible... or a combination of all 3 but he cant be none of those things - otherwise why would he tweet the stuff he does...
cobrajet
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IMHO he is Autistic, high functioning, but definitely on the spectrum. I am not making excuses for him, but I truly believe he can’t help himself most of the time. I was at a seminar on Aspergers and the expert doctor had absolutely no doubt about the president.
interesting but im not sure that jives with my personal experiences of dealing with kids/adults with asbergers or on the spectrum - part of it is that he's evidently very self-centred but more of it is that he's almost intolerably imprecise with his language and "routines" - but the most important part of it is that he doesnt have a fear of socialising that is inherently part of asbergers/asd/autisim - in fact trump seems to relish social interaction and is incredibly understanding of how to manipulate people through social interaction - the other thing is that he adjusts what he says or does depending on who he's talking to which again is not something typically associated with asbergers - he also doesnt struggle with a lack of honesty at all - he understands how lying works and is himself incredibly proficient at it which goes against the idea that honesty is generally very valuable to people who have forms of asd - now of course all people on the spectrum are different and individual and have traits specific to themselves but im not sure i can see trump exhibiting many of these characteristics
then again trump does show a severe lack of empathy, and barron trump does seem to exhibit signs of ASD and some of his tics you're right do seem to suggest some sort of mental disorder
but i think its also important to note that if you look at him and the way he speaks 10-15 years ago he sounds very different (even if his viewpoints havent changed at all) - without sounding mean i think its far more likely that he has a super-early minor onset form of dementia or something similar or some different late-developing/pressure-induced learning disability
alternatively he might have a form of low-functioning sociopathy (i dont mean that in a criminal or scary sense i just mean it purely as the diagnosis) -
It is more common than you would think, and is especially common among highly successful CEO types - People like this are not criminals, because they choose to conform their behavior to social expectations to the extent that they want to avoid punishment, but they don’t feel empathy, and don’t understand the need for it, and don’t “get” the social contract that exists among most of the members of society to treat one another a certain way, and in turn get treated with the same dignity and respect. When people treat them with respect, they think it is their due because they are in some way superior, and they don’t owe other people anything in return.
Again, there is nothing technically wrong with this, as long as these people hum along without causing other people more distress than that which anyone does, including people with lots of empathy who sometimes go overboard in expressing it.
im not saying trump has this anti-social personality disorder but id say its more likely than him being on the autism spectrum to be brutally honest
he also resorts to Twitter when he is trying to divert attention from himself
K-Dog
MVP
which is ironic
Dom McRaven
Hall of Famer
Given how polarizing he is, he gets attention for basically every Tweet he sends.
BloodRaven
Pro Bowler
I hear Brietbart comment section is imploding on itself with people calling each other traitors, I cant say its surprising everyone seems to turn on Donald eventually.
Oldfaithful
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View attachment 405 Have been avoiding this thread like the plague.... but this is too good.
unfortunately it won't happen until we have a balance of power or more control from the Dems. Trump is for it, but the majority of the republicans are against it.
The Raven
Veteran
I just can't fathom why Republicans would be against something that would bring our transportation system into the 21st century and create a shit ton of middle class, blue collar jobs along the way. If I was Chuck Schumer I'd be on CNN tomorrow saying he wants to rebuild America and the middle class with a trillion dollar infrastructure deal but the GOP won't budget. Painting the GOP as anti-job creation could be the death blow. First they wanted to kill your healthcare, then they endorsed a child molester, and now they won't pass a infrastructure plan with a shit ton of jobs? Wow! How out of touch. If my party could actually think about messaging for five seconds we'd have a lifetime majority.
Willbacker
Ravens Ring of Honor
Whatever man. Lets see what the next budget deal is 1st. Dems are more worried about illegals (Daca)) than the middle class and infrastructure lol.
Somerset Ravens
Pro Bowler
I understand your frustration about a lack of an infrastructure bill. The Republicans have done little to make it happen.
Have the Democrats done anything about infrastructure other than talk about it?
The Raven
Veteran
Yup. Bernie filed one but it went nowhere because GOP controlled the Senate. Senate Dems introduced another one a year ago. I wonder if Donald or Mitch got the memo.
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