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Willbacker said:
The fedral funding goes to the states and they distribute it. Federal funding only accounts for only a small portion of the actual funding that goes to the schools. Its mostly state money thru taxes and whatnot that fund schools plus local govt money and sometimes thru private funds that donate.
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You are entirely missing the point.

I don't care if a school only wants 1% of its budget to be federal. If a school wants federal funding at all, she needs to step up and say that they cannot discriminate against any student. It's actually about 10% at the moment and continues to go up rapidly, but that's beside the point and a debate for another day (on whether or not the US should spend more federal dollars on education).

She's the Sec of Ed. Why would she want to allow discrimination against any student seeking an education?
 
K-Dog said:
I am unclear what debate or argument is taking place here. Or if there even is one.

I don't think any right thinking person would ever say there is no racisim anywhere. Just the same as I don't think any right thinking person would ever say that the majoroty of the US is * blatantly racist *.
It would completely stand to reason that pockets of more intense racism would exist in certain areas based on who is there.
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It was about the extent of racism in the US, which is what you started, but okay...
 
Tank said:
Just been lurking in here reading the different viewpoints without commenting as I'm aligned with the "What Makes Sense" party. Unfortunately I haven't had much of anyone or anything to support for quite some time. lol

I have to say that as much of an ass Trump is, he is a master manager and understands that to make a program or department successful you need excellence at the top organizing and making the managerial decisions. Of course the SMEs are an integral part of the team, but those folks don't necessarily make the best leaders or managers and may not be the ones who can get things done.
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I would be less bothered if Trump had a wealth of political experience and worked with various figures throughout his entire life to determine, politically, who was the best fit, but that isn't the case.
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
Living in Arkansas, would you say racism is a pretty big issue?
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I Only seen it first hand once, there were no black people where I'm from so it was never really an issue that was brought up. I myself wasn't even aware of racism until late In life, was definitely an odd experience. I was pretty oblivious to the real world.
 
usmccharles said:
I Only seen it first hand once, there were no black people where I'm from so it was never really an issue that was brought up. I myself wasn't even aware of racism until late In life, was definitely an odd experience. I was pretty oblivious to the real world.
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That's interesting to have no blacks where you were. When I went to NO, it was mostly black, I'd say.
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
That's interesting to have no blacks where you were. When I went to NO, it was mostly black, I'd say.
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I Moved to AR (Mountain home if you want to look it up) when I was 3, from Baltimore, so I was too young to remember what a diverse city was like. Now if you look at the census reports, I don't know what kind of info it will give about my town (or village) if any, I'm boarding a plane right now or I'd look. We just got a Buffalo wild wings so that's something. It may say a small population was black ( I doubt it) but I just don't remember seeing any. Luckily I had a mom that raised me correctly, in my opinion. I'm sure there are plenty of racist where I grew up, but when there isn't any black people around to be racist towards, it kind of goes unnoticed. It would be like complaining about too many cars on the roads when we don't have any roads. Yes we do actually have roads.
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
Living in Arkansas, would you say racism is a pretty big issue?
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Living in FL, I'll say this. The worst experiences of racism I've ever dealt with was during my six years of high school. As a black man, I've basically heard it all whether if it's being called the n-word or being called "white" even though I'm far from light skinned, but I believe it's because I don't act like the stereotypical black guy they perceive or whatever.

What's strange is after HS, I almost never dealt with racism on a personal level. Sure you got racist idiots online and social media, but nothing in the real world.
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
You are entirely missing the point.

I don't care if a school only wants 1% of its budget to be federal. If a school wants federal funding at all, she needs to step up and say that they cannot discriminate against any student. It's actually about 10% at the moment and continues to go up rapidly, but that's beside the point and a debate for another day (on whether or not the US should spend more federal dollars on education).

She's the Sec of Ed. Why would she want to allow discrimination against any student seeking an education?
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Again their trying to pass education onto the states. Seriously I cant make it no simpler than that. Now when it comes to religious schools there should be absolutely no public funds used cuz of their faiths. Can you imagine giving public funding to an Islamic university.
 
Dom McRaven said:
Living in FL, I'll say this. The worst experiences of racism I've ever dealt with was during my six years of high school. As a black man, I've basically heard it all whether if it's being called the n-word or being called "white" even though I'm far from light skinned, but I believe it's because I don't act like the stereotypical black guy they perceive or whatever.

What's strange is after HS, I almost never dealt with racism on a personal level. Sure you got racist idiots online and social media, but nothing in the real world.
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Kids are so mean. :)
 
Willbacker said:
Again their trying to pass education onto the states. Seriously I cant make it no simpler than that. Now when it comes to religious schools there should be absolutely no public funds used cuz of their faiths. Can you imagine giving public funding to an Islamic university.
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There can be funds given and there are funds given to any private school. It's called the Lemon Test.

I can't make it any simpler than if they receive federal funding, no discrimination.

But I'm going to stop here because a certain irony in this post is making me cringe.
 
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29BmoreBird22 said:
There should be funds given and there are funds given to any private school. It's called the Lemon Test.

I can't make it any simpler than if they receive federal funding, no discrimination.

But I'm going to stop here because a certain irony in this post is making me cringe.
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No the whole problem stemmed from you saying Betsy DeVos should have said it when she is trying to say its the decision of the states. If she says there should be no funding for certain schools then she's not allowing the states to make the decision. The federal money will be going to the states to decide how to divvy it up and then its up to the local govt and schools on how to use these funds.

If its a private school why should they get public funds? Now there's some damn irony.
 
Willbacker said:
No the whole problem stemmed from you saying Betsy DeVos should have said it when she is trying to say its the decision of the states. If she says there should be no funding for certain schools then she's not allowing the states to make the decision. The federal money will be going to the states to decide how to divvy it up and then its up to the local govt and schools on how to use these funds.

If its a private school why should they get public funds? Now there's some damn irony.
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No, the irony is the poor grammar in a discussion about education.

Maybe plenty more funding IS needed.
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
I would be less bothered if Trump had a wealth of political experience and worked with various figures throughout his entire life to determine, politically, who was the best fit, but that isn't the case.
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That will be the most interesting thing to monitor over the course of the next four years........whether a switch from the "political norm" produces positive results. Right or wrong at least attempts are being made to change things. May be best to just give the guy a chance.
 
Tank said:
That will be the most interesting thing to monitor over the course of the next four years........whether a switch from the "political norm" produces positive results. Right or wrong at least attempts are being made to change things. May be best to just give the guy a chance.
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I am always willing to give a candidate a chance, but things haven't been positive in my view so far.
 
Tank said:
That will be the most interesting thing to monitor over the course of the next four years........whether a switch from the "political norm" produces positive results. Right or wrong at least attempts are being made to change things. May be best to just give the guy a chance.
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He's had a chance. All he's shown is a complete ineptitude to manage a legislative push and manage his staff. AHCA rollout has been a joke, and the turmoil in the WH just proves what an ineffective manager Trump really is.

I've never been one to believe that the "outsider coming in" would actually make the system work, because frankly, the system wasn't broken. It was designed to work slowly. That's what the founders had in mind. It works slowly for good reason: 1. it takes a while to build consensus support for policy change and 2. it takes a while to actually craft quality legislation. The only part of the system that doesn't work is the players, but I'd argue the only way to improve that is to get more experienced politicians in Congress instead of electing a bunch of inexperienced rabblerousers and bomb throwers.

Contrary to popular belief, the longer someone holds office the less beholden they are to lobbyists, the more able they are to stand on their own feet, and the more skilled they become as legislators. There's a reason Mike and Mike always get unanimously reelected -- with Republican votes -- to Senate President and House Speaker in the Maryland State House. They know how to make the system work. Even the Republican leadership voted for them.

We seriously need to focus on getting qualified, skilled lawmakers in office and keeping them there. In Congress and the White House. I mean, Republicans passed up the immensely qualified John Kasich for a bomb throwing rabble rouser with no experience in government? (Can someone explain that, by the way?) Why are we not rewarding quality candidates by electing them, and instead letting inexperienced malcontents hold office, holding the nation hostage as they tread water figuring out how to do the job? We need more John Kasichs and fewer Donald Trumps.
 
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