The Well-Mannered Politics Thread

[rossihunter2]

No I'm not. Not at al. Have women never lied before?

yes you are - you are suggesting that false rape accusations are commonplace - of course women have lied before - so do men - why would you believe roy moore and donald trump over the 19 (public) women who have accused trump and the (at least) 6 women who have accused moore...

id take the consensus over the prattling of 2 men known to lie - and in moore's case there is some damning character witness behaviour about inappropriate attempts to engage in relationships as well

 

[rossihunter2]

And rightfully so. He also refused to work with the Senate showing you his arrogance. He was the most unconstitutional president ever.

how was he unconstitutional - he tried to pass numerous legislation that was blocked and filibustered inexcusably by the republicans in the house and the senate

 

[cobrajet]

Explain how Russia and China control Trump cuz I see it completely different. The Austrailian PM and him just had a great meeting. Mexico is obvious come on and wh cares about meeting the queen if that actually happened.

Obama has not been able to do with businesses and the stock market like Trump has. That's just laughable.
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No I'm not. Not at al. Have women never lied before?

Omg, trust me they lie all the time. I actually had a woman tell me she was raped and I took her to the hospital and the examining doctor actually told me to “get this crazy lying bitch out of my emergency room.” You would be surprised at all the rape cases found to be unfounded after The Sex Offense Unit detectives investigated them.

 

[rossihunter2]

Omg, trust me they lie all the time. I actually had a woman tell me she was raped and I took her to the hospital and the examining doctor actually told me to “get this crazy lying bitch out of my emergency room.” You would be surprised at all the rape cases found to be unfounded after The Sex Offense Unit detectives investigated them.

statistically at most 8% of women claim to be raped falsely - and very few false claims ever make it to court (because naturally they are unfounded) - but you're attitude there towards rape claims is part of the reason why many victims dont bother reporting them either - because they are treated with doubt and suspicion

 

[Inqui]

not pushing him around?
china easily manipulated him
russia literally controls him
the british public stopped him from officially visiting the queen (that's never happened before)
australian pm publicly fought with him
mexican pm hates him
north korean conflict is escalating to an unprecedented level of animosity

yes the stock markets are up but notice that those markets have nothing to do with any measures trump has made while president - most of the resurgence is down to the markets continuing to recover (in all countries) from the global recession and recovering from the overestimation of economic turmoil during the election year etc. by the markets beforehand - so naturally the markets are recovering - the earnings per share are also high but they are still not as high as they were in 2011 (i wonder who the president was then...) - maybe trump's fiscal policies would improve the markets - but none of them have actually been implemented yet (those tax cuts he promised still havent happened...)

- the biggest factor is the market feels that there is stability because one party runs all of the governmental and is not biting off its own hand in a financial sense - i think you'd have to admit that the republicans blocking everything obama tried to do would be detrimental to the market... if not through bad policy then at least through sheer instability...

id also like to point out that the stock markets and GDP are not a great indicator of living conditions

The other big reason behind the stock market highs is the easy monetary policy of the past decade. QE's led to lower interest rates, which has had investors looking elsewhere for yields, and defensive stocks and higher-risk stocks are the big beneficiaries, which drives those prices even higher. The former simply shows up on indices such as the Dow Jones instead of where they historically show up (bond spreads). And the latter usually leads to more automation (tech companies usually being higher-risk), which affects job security, which then affects wages and keeps a lid on inflation, which means the Fed keeps interest rates lower, so investors chase yields elsewhere... etc. That becomes kind of a doom loop that doesn't have anything to do with any one president.

That and stock market indices are an awful way of rating an economy, particularly the Dow Jones. The Dow is just an arbitrary collection of companies' stock prices that are given an arbitrary weighting. Goldman Sachs has a high weighting, so its strong earnings push the Dow up despite Boeing and GE not doing nearly as well (and the latter two have a bigger impact on the economy in terms of hiring and the like). Replace "the Dow is at an all-time high" with "Goldman Sachs share prices are at an all-time high" and it doesn't sound so flash, but that's more or less what's going on with that index. And the S&P's bigger on the likes of Amazon, Facebook and Alphabet - which have done well but governments are waking up to the fact that they need to tax said companies' most important asset (data) so that feels like a matter of when and how all that shakes out. Which will affect earnings and hurt the S&P despite being a good policy idea.

So as you can tell, I think presidents are kinda like NFL quarterbacks in that they get WAY too much credit and blame for how things are going. You judge Joe Flacco by his mechanics and the passes and decisions he makes, as opposed to by whether we make the playoffs. It wasn't Bush's fault the GFC happened and the level of economic growth is essentially following a trajectory that it was under the Obama administration anyway.

 

[rossihunter2]

The other big reason behind the stock market highs is the easy monetary policy of the past decade. QE's led to lower interest rates, which has had investors looking elsewhere for yields, and defensive stocks and higher-risk stocks are the big beneficiaries, which drives those prices even higher. The former simply shows up on indices such as the Dow Jones instead of where they historically show up (bond spreads). And the latter usually leads to more automation (tech companies usually being higher-risk), which affects job security, which then affects wages and keeps a lid on inflation, which means the Fed keeps interest rates lower, so investors chase yields elsewhere... etc. That becomes kind of a doom loop that doesn't have anything to do with any one president.

That and stock market indices are an awful way of rating an economy, particularly the Dow Jones. The Dow is just an arbitrary collection of companies' stock prices that are given an arbitrary weighting. Goldman Sachs has a high weighting, so its strong earnings push the Dow up despite Boeing and GE not doing nearly as well (and the latter two have a bigger impact on the economy in terms of hiring and the like). Replace "the Dow is at an all-time high" with "Goldman Sachs share prices are at an all-time high" and it doesn't sound so flash, but that's more or less what's going on with that index. And the S&P's bigger on the likes of Amazon, Facebook and Alphabet - which have done well but governments are waking up to the fact that they need to tax said companies' most important asset (data) so that feels like a matter of when and how all that shakes out. Which will affect earnings and hurt the S&P despite being a good policy idea.

So as you can tell, I think presidents are kinda like NFL quarterbacks in that they get WAY too much credit and blame for how things are going. You judge Joe Flacco by his mechanics and the passes and decisions he makes, as opposed to by whether we make the playoffs. It wasn't Bush's fault the GFC happened and the level of economic growth is essentially following a trajectory that it was under the Obama administration anyway.

certainly in terms of economic impact in the short term presidents get way too much credit/criticism - but where presidents affect things is how that economic benefit filters into society

 

[cobrajet]

statistically at most 8% of women claim to be raped falsely - and very few false claims ever make it to court (because naturally they are unfounded) - but you're attitude there towards rape claims is part of the reason why many victims dont bother reporting them either - because they are treated with doubt and suspicion

Bullshit, you know absolutely nothing about me to be judging me like that! I treated every woman with the utmost respect and professionalism during their report of a crime, but when you are out an entire shift doing an investigation and then find out that the woman made up the story and then the powers that be say, you can’t charge her with making a false report because “we don’t want to discourage other woman from making a report” that is just not right. I fully dispute your 8% because that percentage is way way way under the actual percent of unfounded reports made in Baltimore City. And for the record, no one hunted for scumbag rapists when an arrest warrant was issued, harder than I did. I witnessed a poor young boy get busted up on a vendetta because a false report of a rape, and it turned out the girl making the report was just scared, that her brother who walked in on her with him, was going to tell her dad. She finally came clean to her parents after the poor boy got his beating. After 21 years on the job I learned that when it comes to rape reports, it is best not to judge the suspect, at least, until probable cause exists for an arrest warrant to be issued. Just for the record, how many rape reports have you taken and investigated? How many women have you comforted that have went through a horrible crime like forced rape and forced sodomy?

 

[rossihunter2]

Bullshit, you know absolutely nothing about me to be judging me like that! I treated every woman with the utmost respect and professionalism during their report of a crime, but when you are out an entire shift doing an investigation and then find out that the woman made up the story and then the powers that be say, you can’t charge her with making a false report because “we don’t want to discourage other woman from making a report” that is just not right. I fully dispute your 8% because that percentage is way way way under the actual percent of unfounded reports made in Baltimore City. And for the record, no one hunted for scumbag rapists when an arrest warrant was issued, harder than I did. I witnessed a poor young boy get busted up on a vendetta because a false report of a rape, and it turned out the girl making the report was just scared, that her brother who walked in on her with him, was going to tell her dad. She finally came clean to her parents after the poor boy got his beating. After 21 years on the job I learned that when it comes to rape reports, it is best not to judge the suspect, at least, until probable cause exists for an arrest warrant to be issued.

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i wasnt saying its not hard or not difficult but the language that the doctor used and you either repeated or embellished isnt helpful in encouraging women how are scared to report crimes to come and report crimes

im also not saying false claims dont exist but unfounded and false is not the same thing - and in fact that was an FBI statistic that came up with the 8% and it was suggested that that stat was too high anyway

in fact the most recent stats (certainly in britain) suggest that false rape claims are lower than previously statistically thought and that most unfounded claims are made by serial liars (those who have a history of strange claims etc) or often not made by the "victim" themselves

 

[cobrajet]

i wasnt saying its not hard or not difficult but the language that the doctor used and you either repeated or embellished isnt helpful in encouraging women how are scared to report crimes to come and report crimes

im also not saying false claims dont exist but unfounded and false is not the same thing - and in fact that was an FBI statistic that came up with the 8% and it was suggested that that stat was too high anyway

in fact the most recent stats (certainly in britain) suggest that false rape claims are lower than previously statistically thought and that most unfounded claims are made by serial liars (those who have a history of strange claims etc) or often not made by the "victim" themselves

Again, you are being judgmental in implying that I embellished my story. I am here to tell you that it is a true story and those were the exact words he used, except I spelled out emergency room, he said E.R. I am telling you that your FBI statistics do not come close to accuracy inside of Baltimore City. Again, that is a fact. When it came to rape reports taken with the strangest twists and turns, it seemed like I got them. I was even teased about it by my squad for a long time. When you say unfounded claims are often not made by the “victim” themselves, you know that the reporting person of a rape on a police report is always the victim. If they were a true victim and truthfully reported the events as acurately as possible, when the investigation is closed many times it is unfortunately categorized as “not sustained” but the chances of their report categorized as “unfounded” is pretty slim.

 

[RavensMania]

Ivana says all those stories have no merit. All other stories seem debunked by other witnesses. See you're charging him guilty w/o an iota of fact or just allegations

Again here you're coming up with a bunch of crap cuz you so blind to anything else. I already blew your one post completely out of the water. See against the Dems there's actual proof and you cant stand it.

yes you are - you are suggesting that false rape accusations are commonplace - of course women have lied before - so do men - why would you believe roy moore and donald trump over the 19 (public) women who have accused trump and the (at least) 6 women who have accused moore...

id take the consensus over the prattling of 2 men known to lie - and in moore's case there is some damning character witness behaviour about inappropriate attempts to engage in relationships as well

no question. I’m pretty sure out of those accusations. Atleast one would stick for each, if not more.

Really everyone, is this what you want representing our country.

 

[rossihunter2]

Again, you are being judgmental in implying that I embellished my story. I am here to tell you that it is a true story and those were the exact words he used, except I spelled out emergency room, he said E.R. I am telling you that your FBI statistics do not come close to accuracy inside of Baltimore City. Again, that is a fact. When it came to rape reports taken with the strangest twists and turns, it seemed like I got them. I was even teased about it by my squad for a long time. When you say unfounded claims are often not made by the “victim” you know that the reporting person of a rape on a police report is always the victim. If they were a true victim and truthfully reported the events as acurately as possible, when the investigation is closed many times it is unfortunately categorized as “not sustained” but the chances of their report categorized as “unfounded” is pretty slim.

i mean im not referring to just baltimore am i?

 

[rossihunter2]

no question. I’m pretty sure out of those accusations. Atleast one would stick for each, if not more.

Really everyone, is this what you want representing our country.

i certainly dont want them representing your country - because US policy and vitriol affects every other country in the world

 

[RavensMania]

i certainly dont want them representing your country - because US policy and vitriol affects every other country in the world

I wasn’t referring to you, but that true in of itself.

 

[Oldfaithful]

no question. I’m pretty sure out of those accusations. Atleast one would stick for each, if not more.

Really everyone, is this what you want representing our country.

Nope I want this.

 

[cobrajet]

i mean im not referring to just baltimore am i?

True but I replied to Willbacker based on my body of knowledge which is Baltimore City. I would question, based on the massive amounts of rape reports closed as unfounded in Baltimore City, why would these numbers be so different than your FBI national statistic of only 8% of rapes being classified as unfounded? I would love to have an answer for that.

 

[RavensMania]

True but I replied to Willbacker based on my body of knowledge which is Baltimore City. I would question, based on the massive amounts of rape reports closed as unfounded in Baltimore City, why would these numbers be so different than your FBI national statistic of only 8% of rapes being classified as unfounded? I would love to have an answer for that.

Thanks for sharing that info

 

[cobrajet]

Thanks for sharing that info

No problem, maybe Baltimore City is an anomaly in many areas, but I feel I better stick to what I know. If it seems I am a little feisty tonight, it probably has to do with my heavy heart and not getting much sleep last night due to events yesterday and today with my BPD brother in blue. It was very upsetting.

 

[rossihunter2]

No problem, maybe Baltimore City is an anomaly in many areas, but I feel I better stick to what I know. If it seems I am a little feisty tonight, it probably has to do with my heavy heart and not getting much sleep last night due to events yesterday and today with my BPD brother in blue. It was very upsetting.

yeah man i cant imagine what that's like right now

 

[cobrajet]

yeah man i cant imagine what that's like right now

Thanks and I apologize for being fiesty, in the grand scheme of things right now, all I really care about is God healing the broken hearts of Detective Suiter’s family. Politics should be the last thing on my mind, and it really isn’t. Man, we lost a lot of good officers through the years.

 

[rossihunter2]

Thanks and I apologize for being fiesty, in the grand scheme of things right now, all I really care about is God healing the broken hearts of Detective Suiter’s family. Politics should be the last thing on my mind, and it really isn’t. Man, we lost a lot of good officers through the years.

im sorry also for the way i spoke to you too dude - it's just an issue that's close to my heart