The Well-Mannered Politics Thread

[29BmoreBird22]

Okay.
My buddy and his gf were out on the town.
A gang of young black men ( eight ) attacked them. his gf was raped by five of them. My buddy was forced at knife point to wach.
My frinds mother in law was car jacked robbed of her purse and pistol wipped by two young black men.
An ex gf got lost in the wrong part of Baltimore she was pulled from her car and stripped near naked by three young black men, befor someone came to her aide.

A friend eight year old daughter was repeatedly sexually assaulted by a young black man.

When my family was young. My parents took us to DC to see the museum's and a picnic on the mall. Three young black men ran through our picnic stomping and kicking our food.

I was knocked unconscious on the Baltimore light rail in "the knock out game" by a young black man.

Every single crime. EVERY SINGLE ONE. Where there was a perpetrator. It was a young black man.

Based on your reasoning, 90% of the crimes committed against me and the people I care about were at the hands of young black men.
Can I say young black men are out to get me?

Would that be fair? Accurate?

BTW full disclosure, I don't have a problem with young black men, but I am uneasy in certain situations. Do you blame me?
When you "come to" and you are in a ball on your wifes lap and there is a crowd of black youth filming pointing and laughing you come out jaded.

i thinj if you're in Baltimore, you have the right to feel uneassy around any person. Unfortunately, with many large cities, these crime centered areas are heavily African American ghettos that are littered with drugs, low income, gangs, and low education because no one wants to teach there.

I feel uneasy around people, too. It's just around any person late at night even though I live in a very safe area.

 

[Somerset Ravens]

Sick leave shouldn't be a bargaining chip. If that makes me out of touch, whatever.

A lot of people -- and yes, especially in Somerset -- can't afford to pick and choose their job based on whether it has sick leave or not.

Why can't these people afford to pick and choose their job based on whether it has sick leave?

I appreciate the shot at Somerset County, very classy on your part. I am curious how you know so much about Somerset County.

 

[29BmoreBird22]

Why can't these people afford to pick and choose their job based on whether it has sick leave?

I appreciate the shot at Somerset County, very classy on your part. I am curious how you know so much about Somerset County.

You could be like me and have limited experience with a bachelor's degree and need to take the first job for experience.

 

[Willbacker]

Just out of curiosity - why should health and education be localised to states? Shouldn't somebody from Kentucky be entitled to exactly the same levels of care/assistance/support as a person from Nevada?

It states it clearly in the 10th amendment that states run whatever the federal govt is not regulated to run. In the states you basically run your local govt thru elections (governor and your local district councilmen or women ) and its very obvious that people in different areas don't nessassarily believe in the same philosophy and its been that way since they drew up the Constitution but the bottomline is education and health care will resemble each other wherever it is. For instance in education you may have different electives that are more common in your area but everybody would still have to learn the same math and English. Another thing is the states can also make the decision whether health or education should be publicly or privately depending on what the constituents want.

We already have public education as is. I just don't want to see public health since I personally would like to see less govt and choices thru privitazation. I don't want the govt telling us whats best for us but its not good for them.

 

[Willbacker]

Many companies used to and still have separate sick leave and vacation. However more and more companies are resorting to paid time off (pto) PTO is a combination of sick leave and vacation into one package. It’s a way of eliminating the accumulating of sick leave over a long time. Companies have to insure sick leave and many people take it years later when they are making more money, hence it costs them more money.

What I like my company is that we don't keep accruing sick leave. Anything over 10 days that's not used gets paid to you at the end of the year and that's a nice perk.

 

[RavensMania]

It states it clearly in the 10th amendment that states run whatever the federal govt is not regulated to run. In the states you basically run your local govt thru elections (governor and your local district councilmen or women ) and its very obvious that people in different areas don't nessassarily believe in the same philosophy and its been that way since they drew up the Constitution but the bottomline is education and health care will resemble each other wherever it is. For instance in education you may have different electives that are more common in your area but everybody would still have to learn the same math and English. Another thing is the states can also make the decision whether health or education should be publicly or privately depending on what the constituents want.

We already have public education as is. I just don't want to see public health since I personally would like to see less govt and choices thru privitazation. I don't want the govt telling us whats best for us but its not good for them.

yeah, less government is a good thing, but not completely.

 

[Willbacker]

You could be like me and have limited experience with a bachelor's degree and need to take the first job for experience.

At your age you should only have to get catastrophic care and that's not expensive.

 

[Willbacker]

yeah, less government is a good thing, but not completely.

RM I just strongly believe in the Constitution since it is the law of the land. I'm sorry it upsets so many people since they think its old and outdated ( not saying you ) but I think its genius they way they designed it up.

 

[29BmoreBird22]

At your age you should only have to get catastrophic care and that's not expensive.

I'm fortunate enough to be on my mom's insurance, but the plan we have has awful vision and no dental now that I'm 22.

 

[RavensMania]

RM I just strongly believe in the Constitution since it is the law of the land. I'm sorry it upsets so many people since they think its old and outdated ( not saying you ) but I think its genius they way they designed it up.

Well our forefathers were amazing leaders. It’s a shame that we don’t have these types of leaders nowadays or less of them. That being said, they dint have the media back then like we have.

 

[Willbacker]

I'm fortunate enough to be on my mom's insurance, but the plan we have has awful vision and no dental now that I'm 22.

On my plan at work my dental and vision are extremely cheap. My vision is only around 4 dollars while my dental is 12 so if you look online you may be able to find something very affordable for basic care. My dental personally only covers up to a 1000 dollars. Not sure about my vision but I can get a free pair of glasses valued around the 200 range.

 

[Willbacker]

Well our forefathers were amazing leaders. It’s a shame that we don’t have these types of leaders nowadays or less of them. That being said, they dint have the media back then like we have.

Well I know Ben Franklin had an extremely sordid past lol but yes I agree about their amazing leadership and courage.

 

[The Raven]

Why can't these people afford to pick and choose their job based on whether it has sick leave?

I appreciate the shot at Somerset County, very classy on your part. I am curious how you know so much about Somerset County.

Somerset is objectively the poorest county in the state per census data. Not taking a shot at all. Just pointing out that the workers there likely need jobs with good benefits.

 

[Somerset Ravens]

You could be like me and have limited experience with a bachelor's degree and need to take the first job for experience.

What is your chosen profession? Are there many employers in your field?

 

[rossihunter2]

Why wouldn't it be an option for someone to take a different job?

Because not anyone has the option to take another job...
I don’t see what’s difficult about this - we both get that legally it is a bargaining chip at the moment - we are saying that it shouldn’t be because people should have a right to take a job without worrying about whether something outside of their control would leave them unpaid long term (at a point in time where they are likely more in need of money given the shit show that is American healthcare)

 

[rossihunter2]

I have left Rossi a link a couple different times showing him Art 1 Sect 8 showing the 18 enumerative powers of the federal govt and when it comes to health and education the federal govt should not be controlling in any shape or form. These should be state issues

The Constitution is the law of land. It takes 2/3 of the Senate, 2/3 of the House and 3/4 of the states to change anything regarding the 1st amendment.

You misunderstand me, I understand that the constitution is the law of the land and that it is difficult to change but it’s also 250 years old (almost) so naturally it is out of date in many respects... so it should evolve

Also not sure why health and education shouldn’t be federal - because let’s be honest if education had been left entirely to the states in the 60s and beyond you’d probably still have segregated schools in some states

 

[Somerset Ravens]

Somerset is objectively the poorest county in the state per census data. Not taking a shot at all. Just pointing out that the workers there likely need jobs with good benefits.

What is the unit of measure in the state census data you mention?

There are people who need jobs with good benefits everywhere.

 

[rossihunter2]

It states it clearly in the 10th amendment that states run whatever the federal govt is not regulated to run. In the states you basically run your local govt thru elections (governor and your local district councilmen or women ) and its very obvious that people in different areas don't nessassarily believe in the same philosophy and its been that way since they drew up the Constitution but the bottomline is education and health care will resemble each other wherever it is. For instance in education you may have different electives that are more common in your area but everybody would still have to learn the same math and English. Another thing is the states can also make the decision whether health or education should be publicly or privately depending on what the constituents want.

We already have public education as is. I just don't want to see public health since I personally would like to see less govt and choices thru privitazation. I don't want the govt telling us whats best for us but its not good for them.

But what about those minorities or other groups who don’t subscribe to the majority view in their states - part of the greatness of the USA is supposedly its diversity of people and opinions but you’re acting like each state has unanimously different views to other states when it’s far more likely that there are differences within state

What about those people in your state who can’t afford private healthcare, what then are they to do?

What about public schooling, someone might not have enough money to move states to one that has better public schooling so they get left in a school in their state with lowest common denominator teaching/care...

 

[rossihunter2]

At your age you should only have to get catastrophic care and that's not expensive.

Which seems crazy to me as someone from the uk - I pay for my prescriptions but not any emergency treatment or drugs in hospital or surgery or anything - what if I have a non-life-threatening injury/illness that stops me from working - it seems crazy that I’d have to just risk it if I was in the US

 

[The Raven]

What is the unit of measure in the state census data you mention?

There are people who need jobs with good benefits everywhere.

Average household income. Somerset's last, or near last depending on the recency.

"The decade hasn't seen any improvement in two stubborn economic problems for Somerset: poverty and high unemployment," reports DelmarvaNow. "Its 8.7 unemployment rate in January was the highest anywhere outside of its extremely seasonal neighbor, Worcester. And its rock-bottom median household income of $36,716 is lower than the next-poorest Maryland county by about $3,000."

"While wealthy states tend to have wealthier localities across the board, Somerset County, the poorest in Maryland, was still relatively poor," USA Today writes, reporting that Somerset is MD's poorest county. "A typical household earned less than $38,500 between 2009 and 2013, more than $35,000 less than the comparable state figure. Poor educational attainment among county residents may be partially the reason for the low incomes — 14.2% of area adults had at least a bachelor's degree during the five years through 2013, less than half the comparable national rate of 28.8%."

And this, from Baltimore Business Journal, shows just how bad poverty is in Somerset. It's worse than in Baltimore.