The Refs, the OL, and the Coaching

[Sooky]

Idk I'm torn... Last year was the year for this team. I can't even blame Orr for having an underperforming stacked defense. We lost not only MacDonald, but also Weaver and Wilson to the Titans and Dolphins. Not only that, but Joe D'Alessandris passed away and we lost an incredible coach at one of the weakest positions of the team.

I just don't know how long we can talk about Harbaugh's job security. It feels like it happens more often than an election year. Yes, he isn't a bad coach, but he isn't good as of recently either. In 2024 he gives no edge as a special teams coordinator. Special teams in general is basically dead in football. And he doesn't have the edge on how to abuse NFL game rules like he used to his first 6 or 7 years.

Players on other teams say the Ravens have the best roster in the NFL, if not 2nd to the 49ers. But yet in big games, it always feels like we are the little brother. The only time the Ravens successfully moved the ball on offense in the playoffs was with Kubiak and the Jim Caldwell experiment last-ditch effort that was a curveball to teams in the playoffs.

There are never adjustments in games. You watch the Chiefs games and they adjust it feels like every quarter to what the opposing team is doing. Meanwhile, the Ravens will do the same thing over and over again and just watch Gardner Minshew tear them apart for the 2nd time in 2 years.

It's sad living in the Mahomes era. At least with Brady, the refs weren't so blatantly one-sided in most games. But watching every game of the Chiefs the past 3 years, it's sad that after every positive play the opposing team has to look to the refs to see what might get called even if a penalty doesn't exist. It doesn't feel like real football. And I will be heartbroken if Lamar never gets a chance to play in a SB.

 

[OURavensFan]

The criticism of Harbaugh has been loud everywhere after the first 2 games, it’s very deserved, but now I’m hoping for Harbaugh to show why he’s been here for 17 years and right the ship.

 

[OURavensFan]

Idk I'm torn... Last year was the year for this team. I can't even blame Orr for having an underperforming stacked defense. We lost not only MacDonald, but also Weaver and Wilson to the Titans and Dolphins. Not only that, but Joe D'Alessandris passed away and we lost an incredible coach at one of the weakest positions of the team.

I just don't know how long we can talk about Harbaugh's job security. It feels like it happens more often than an election year. Yes, he isn't a bad coach, but he isn't good as of recently either. In 2024 he gives no edge as a special teams coordinator. Special teams in general is basically dead in football. And he doesn't have the edge on how to abuse NFL game rules like he used to his first 6 or 7 years.

Players on other teams say the Ravens have the best roster in the NFL, if not 2nd to the 49ers. But yet in big games, it always feels like we are the little brother. The only time the Ravens successfully moved the ball on offense in the playoffs was with Kubiak and the Jim Caldwell experiment last-ditch effort that was a curveball to teams in the playoffs.

There are never adjustments in games. You watch the Chiefs games and they adjust it feels like every quarter to what the opposing team is doing. Meanwhile, the Ravens will do the same thing over and over again and just watch Gardner Minshew tear them apart for the 2nd time in 2 years.

It's sad living in the Mahomes era. At least with Brady, the refs weren't so blatantly one-sided in most games. But watching every game of the Chiefs the past 3 years, it's sad that after every positive play the opposing team has to look to the refs to see what might get called even if a penalty doesn't exist. It doesn't feel like real football. And I will be heartbroken if Lamar never gets a chance to play in a SB.

There are too many Lamar haters that live off the he can’t win a Super Bowl mantra that need to be proven wrong. Last year is simply disgusting for what happened

 

[JoeyFlex5]

I don't think anyone is saying Harbs is a bad coach. He's a good coach, but it's time for a change. We see the same issues even when we change coordinators. That's an indicator it's the system as a whole.

He's also arrogant and doesn't like to take accountability and that rubs a lot of people wrong. But hey were just fans at the bar according to Harbs what do we know.

I’m saying he’s a bad coach, for the reasons you stated.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

The criticism of Harbaugh has been loud everywhere after the first 2 games, it’s very deserved, but now I’m hoping for Harbaugh to show why he’s been here for 17 years and right the ship.

He can start with faalele

 

[OURavensFan]

He can start with faalele

God I hope his talk is smokescreen Shit

 

[Sooky]

I’m saying he’s a bad coach, for the reasons you stated.

I think we think the same thing, just with different definitions. Harbaugh should be a HC in the league, but I don't think he's a top 6 HC in the league. And that makes it extremely hard to compete come playoff time.

 

[Deebo813]

No matter who we put at lg,rg and RT we are gonna struggle.. the guys we have are simply not good at those positions yet. They are probably getting killed by oweh and david during practice so you can only imagine what the good pass rushers are gonna do..

 

[redrum52]

The criticism of Harbaugh has been loud everywhere after the first 2 games, it’s very deserved, but now I’m hoping for Harbaugh to show why he’s been here for 17 years and right the ship.

I honestly think the fire Harbs talk will be quieted soon and resurface when we lose to some 3 win team in November.

 

[JAAM]

No matter who we put at lg,rg and RT we are gonna struggle.. the guys we have are simply not good at those positions yet. They are probably getting killed by oweh and david during practice so you can only imagine what the good pass rushers are gonna do..

Oweh and Ojabo catching strays

 

[redrum52]

No matter who we put at lg,rg and RT we are gonna struggle.. the guys we have are simply not good at those positions yet. They are probably getting killed by oweh and david during practice so you can only imagine what the good pass rushers are gonna do..

Oweh and Ojabo catching strays

Owehs been playing well this season damn lol

 

[Sooky]

Just thinking how many high draft picks and salary cap that is dumped into that secondary just for Marlon and Stephens to do their best Cary Williams impression and Marcus and Hamilton being invisible in games.

 

[ravenslord]

Maybe Lamar and Co should play a few snaps in the preseason games? Mahomes does.

 

[Sandtown]

Strictly off memory Antwan Barnes, Torrey Smith, some OL I can't remember, Kruger and maybe a couple other guys. But we've seen him keep people on the bench for whatever reason. The 2012 OL comes to mind as well. Just remembered we did this same dumb shit with Brown his rookie year.

Torrey was different as he was a rookie but I think Paul Kruger was definitely a guy that probably didn't practice all that well . I don't think he was lazy or anything but for a second round pick I think the coaching staff wanted him to be more than just a pass rush specialist. Honestly I don't even think he lasted all that long in the league after he was signed to the browns. His best year was in 2014 with 11 sacks then after that he never really was able to get more than 2 sacks. He played 8 years in the NFL then retired. Seems like these players we complain about not getting playing time don't really last that long in the NFl.

Honestly it's really not uncommon for coaches to let rookies stay on the bench before putting them in fire on the field. I don't think we realize how much studying teams do and how they want to exploit teams weaknesses so they can win. I get Harbaugh method when it comes switching Mekari and Rosengarten in and out of the game as it somewhat keeps the opposing defense guessing and at the same time as a coach you probably want don't want to mess with a players confidence either. Orlando Brown got his opportunity to start after James Hurst got hurt but Hurst was playing well that year so it wasn't as dumb as we believe. We also don't know how beneficial it was for Orlando Brown to sit and learn during that time span either

 

[redrum52]

Torrey was different as he was a rookie but I think Paul Kruger was definitely a guy that probably didn't practice all that well . I don't think he was lazy or anything but for a second round pick I think the coaching staff wanted him to be more than just a pass rush specialist. Honestly I don't even think he lasted all that long in the league after he was signed to the browns. His best year was in 2014 with 11 sacks then after that he never really was able to get more than 2 sacks. He played 8 years in the NFL then retired. Seems like these players we complain about not getting playing time don't really last that long in the NFl.

Honestly it's really not uncommon for coaches to let rookies stay on the bench before putting them in fire on the field. I don't think we realize how much studying teams do and how they want to exploit teams weaknesses so they can win. I get Harbaugh method when it comes switching Mekari and Rosengarten in and out of the game as it somewhat keeps the opposing defense guessing and at the same time as a coach you probably want don't want to mess with a players confidence either. Orlando Brown got his opportunity to start after James Hurst got hurt but Hurst was playing well that year so it wasn't as dumb as we believe. We also don't know how beneficial it was for Orlando Brown to sit and learn during that time span either

I get where you're coming from but Evans wasn't providing anything and Smith 1st 3 catches went for tds I think. Kruger had shown he could rush. The rookie thing has usually proven to be dumb. Most knee it was time for JK to get the carries and he proved his value. A lot of times its just seems like stubbornness.

Shout out to JK as well.

 

[Tank]

I get where you're coming from but Evans wasn't providing anything and Smith 1st 3 catches went for tds I think. Kruger had shown he could rush. The rookie thing has usually proven to be dumb. Most knee it was time for JK to get the carries and he proved his value. A lot of times its just seems like stubbornness.

Shout out to JK as well.

JK was seldomly healthy here, hopefully that trend now changes for him.

 

[OURavensFan]

I get where you're coming from but Evans wasn't providing anything and Smith 1st 3 catches went for tds I think. Kruger had shown he could rush. The rookie thing has usually proven to be dumb. Most knee it was time for JK to get the carries and he proved his value. A lot of times its just seems like stubbornness.

Shout out to JK as well.

Same with Ray Rice too, and yea Torrey had his first 3 catches for 3 TDs his first game against the Rams, that was awesome

 

[JO_75]

Harbs also really focused on the defense when answering questions about blowing leads. They for sure needed to be better but like the offense needs to go 3 and out multiple times every 4th quarter

Yes, it's on the defense for not blowing late leads so I get where he's coming from. Defense needs to tighten up late in games, but the problem is the fact our offense can't sustain drives in the fourth to chew more time off the clock. Multiple times over the last several years, all we needed was an yard or two to extend the drive but we couldn't get that leading to punting the ball. If we had been able to convert on some of these third downs and took an extra 2-3 minutes off the clock, we probably win some of those games. The offenses' inability to keep drives going in the fourth puts our defense in these tough situations, and it has happened WAY TOO MUCH. It's one of the common themes of the Ravens under John Harbaugh in the last several years. I get what he's saying but to ignore the offense not being able to seal the game late shouldn't be ignored either.

 

[redrum52]

Yes, it's on the defense for not blowing late leads so I get where he's coming from. Defense needs to tighten up late in games, but the problem is the fact our offense can't sustain drives in the fourth to chew more time off the clock. Multiple times over the last several years, all we needed was an yard or two to extend the drive but we couldn't get that leading to punting the ball. If we had been able to convert on some of these third downs and took an extra 2-3 minutes off the clock, we probably win some of those games. The offenses' inability to keep drives going in the fourth puts our defense in these tough situations, and it has happened WAY TOO MUCH. It's one of the common themes of the Ravens under John Harbaugh in the last several years. I get what he's saying but to ignore the offense not being able to seal the game late shouldn't be ignored either.

3 and out. Give up a quick td and shank a punt. It's become a ravens specialty

 

[redrum52]

No matter who we put at lg,rg and RT we are gonna struggle.. the guys we have are simply not good at those positions yet. They are probably getting killed by oweh and david during practice so you can only imagine what the good pass rushers are gonna do..

I didn't catch the Vorhees stray initially. I think he's doing fine. Him and Roger will have their bumps and bruises but by the end of the season i think we can have a capable line. Big Fail needs to sit and if there's a game to do it its here before we go back to conference/division play. If Cleveland looks like ass in a national game now you've proven your point. But boy if he shines...