to me it's just his weight, but I certainly could get on board. His explosiveness and ability to make you miss is 2nd to none in this draft class. I can envision how he could be used in our offense. Think he would be lethal.
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The Offseason Thread
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RL52TheGreatest
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Samuel is my favorite of the three, but Campbell has been growing on me. His speed paired with Lamar could be a killer combo.
Where do you guys think Hakeem Butler will end up going? I've heard he's had some drop issues, but I wouldn't mind taking him in the 2nd or 3rd as a possibility.
im not saying just draft for that speed but i think there's no harm in valuing that trait more than other purely physical traits (like length) because of a new offensive philosophy for example
as always it comes down to the individual prospect not a profile and each one is different - i just like the idea of bringing in players with that game-breaking speed both out of the slot and on the outside - and especially given how much better lamar is over the middle adding a playmaker in the slot to complement willie snead could be a huge factor
fair enough - i will say this about his weight though - he weighed in at 166 with a lisfranc which means he's not been able to train the way you'd want - so 166 is likely not his playing weight at all
tyreek hill plays at 185, desean jackson plays at 175 (those 2 i think are his best comps in the nfl) - personally i think the weight ultimately isnt going to prohibit him - he's maybe 15 lbs lighter right now than you'd want him to be but you have to take into account the fact that he's not been in an nfl weight program, he's still in a boot at the moment i think too so cant really train at all
i think a decent playing weight is quite easily attainable
i think butler's going pretty high now - could sneak into the first but no way he's making it to the 3rd i dont think
Davesta
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I wouldn’t feel comfortable taking butler with a 1st round pick with his hands / drop issues
RL52TheGreatest
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Me either, but I would take him after the 1st round, for sure.
More on Weddle...
Zrebiec:
"Just spoke with former Raven Eric Weddle. Will have story up later, but Weddle acknowledges that he wasn't totally surprised by his release. He met with new Ravens GM Eric DeCosta day after season ended and it was communicated to him that he might have to take pay cut to return."
"Weddle wasn't going to take a pay cut, but one was never offered either. He said Eric DeCosta said team has other plans at the safety position, so both sides moving on at this point. Weddle and DeCosta are close, and safety said no hard feelings at all."
i guess the surprise here is that we never offered him a pay cut and that weddle probably wouldnt consider it - i wonder if he tests free agency whether he'd be interested in coming back
significantly though it seems like the front office (and coaching staff) do not and have not, in this whole offseason, had any plans for weddle to come back which suggests they're comfortable with the plan moving forwards at safety
Zrebiec:
"Just spoke with former Raven Eric Weddle. Will have story up later, but Weddle acknowledges that he wasn't totally surprised by his release. He met with new Ravens GM Eric DeCosta day after season ended and it was communicated to him that he might have to take pay cut to return."
"Weddle wasn't going to take a pay cut, but one was never offered either. He said Eric DeCosta said team has other plans at the safety position, so both sides moving on at this point. Weddle and DeCosta are close, and safety said no hard feelings at all."
i guess the surprise here is that we never offered him a pay cut and that weddle probably wouldnt consider it - i wonder if he tests free agency whether he'd be interested in coming back
significantly though it seems like the front office (and coaching staff) do not and have not, in this whole offseason, had any plans for weddle to come back which suggests they're comfortable with the plan moving forwards at safety
Yeah I thought a lot of this was pretty interesting. From DeCosta's perspective, he had basically an entire year to think about what he wants to do, and it seems like this was a decision made a long time ago. It's a tough position to be in. Weddle is a really good player (even with him losing a step) and played a big part in our defense, but he's also 34. I'm not so sure it had to do as much with his play as it is just getting younger for the new wave of this team. As much as I like Weddle, I'm glad that door is seemingly closed though, because I do think it's time to usher in a new era.
I'm really curious to see what the "other plans" are.
honestly i think the team really likes chuck clark and deshon elliott and especially their athleticism - and chuck clark has shown some ability in coverage already (albeit on an inconsistent basis) - id assume we'd add another safety but we did also only carry 4 safeties (including levine) last year
im really interested
just in general i think this is one of the most interesting ravens offseasons since ive been a fan
more from zrebiec:
Weddle said DeCosta was one of the reasons he came to Baltimore. DeCosta was one heavily involved in recruiting after Weddle was let go by Chargers. They were really close. DeCosta told Weddle that cutting him was one of toughest things he's ever had to do.
Weddle said DeCosta was one of the reasons he came to Baltimore. DeCosta was one heavily involved in recruiting after Weddle was let go by Chargers. They were really close. DeCosta told Weddle that cutting him was one of toughest things he's ever had to do.
Davesta
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The part where they said they have other plans got me thinking they’re comfortable with in-house, or they’re planning on going after a FA safety. The draft is too unpredictable, no guarantees the safety you targeted will be there. Wonder which FA safety best fit what we need... a true center fielder
I actually have his best comp djax. Yes, he probably could gain 10 to 15lbs and still have the same speed and elusiveness. Not sure if he has lost any weight since the end of the season, tbh. Prior to the combine I had him as 168lb, not sure where I got that from
from this statement, it sounds like he isn't going to be Webb-esque, but if we could get him back on the cheap it would be a great, as long as it doesn't stop us from signing one of the top FS FA or drafting one.
i think his playing weight was around 170 in college and he came in at 166 at the combine im pretty sure
most players put weight on before the combine as they start training for professional careers but brown's lost (or roughly stayed the same) since end of the season which suggests to me he can add those 10-15 lbs without changing his athletic profile
MarkAndrewsOurSavior
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Jamie collins just got released. Would LOVE him here even if we resign cj
ravenslord
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Weddle seems like a decent guy but man he football skills have deteriorated significantly
On 105.7 the fan , they mentioned he had only 3 pass breakups the ENTIRE season !!!! Of course we know he had no picks either.
Hell, Ed Reed would have 3 pass breakups in 1 friggin quarter of a single game.
I read an article in December that stated that he was the main component for being able to play the style of defense that we played. He and CJ were the most important pieces.
allblackraven
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There comes a point when on-field coaching is not enough to cover speed/tackling deficiencies
Get him on coaching staff, he can yell from sideline.
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