The Lamar, the Receivers, and the Pass Defence

[D1City55]

i do still think that's what this WR group is still missing, a ball-winner on the outside - someone you can trust to win a fade or go up and high-point on a downfield shot to the boundary

dont have to be a dynamic athlete (don't even necessarily have to be a big guy either) but someone with some catch-point dominance would round out the group nicely - extra bonus if they can also line up in the slot and maybe give you some help in the running game in 11 personnel - jauan jennings x allen lazard is what im thinking

I kinda view that as being Mark Andrews role tbh.

 

[rossihunter2]

I only remember that I commented twice about. I feel like 1 was to Ertz on the left hand side of the field near midfield but memory is hazy. I just know I wrote down Roquan 2 coverage plays.

And you're exactly right. Simpson is being taken off the field constantly. We barely did that with Queen. Are we potentially underestimating how big that loss was?

idk if queen gets those reps in this defence either tbh

he was so valuable as a blitzer on 3rd downs or dropping into the short zones and for all intents and purposes, simpson's been good at those things too and has looked better in coverage than PQ early into his career - i think it's more philosophical than it is about personnel

i do think we lose something from our sim pressures/zero looks if we dont have both LBs on there - i doubt OL are as scared of safeties and CBs (not named Hamilton) coming on the blitz and so if you're not sending Ro, who are they scared of coming from the 2nd level or rushing when other guys are dropping out - i think that's where we're losing value on defence by playing more dime and taking simpson off the field

 

[rossihunter2]

I kinda view that as being Mark Andrews role tbh.

he's not a sideline ball-winner though and he's also not dominant at the catch-point
for all his size and physicality, mark's more of a finesse guy

 

[rossihunter2]

Yeah skill position group is looking really good. Justin Hill is a luxury at this point but teams are starting to account for him more in the pass game and his blocking is super underrated!

pretty quickly his blocking is being appreciated properly - he's been phenomenal and it cannot be understated how important it is for lamar to be able to trust that Hill's gonna make the right read with the protection call and not only make the right read but do enough as a blocker that Lamar can get the ball out on time without having an extra free rusher

 

[rossihunter2]

I only remember that I commented twice about. I feel like 1 was to Ertz on the left hand side of the field near midfield but memory is hazy. I just know I wrote down Roquan 2 coverage plays.

if you're talking about the ertz play where he was down at the 2, that's just a ridiculous throw into a tiny window
that's just a play where you tip your cap to the offence

 

[UPennChem]

idk if queen gets those reps in this defence either tbh

he was so valuable as a blitzer on 3rd downs or dropping into the short zones and for all intents and purposes, simpson's been good at those things too and has looked better in coverage than PQ early into his career - i think it's more philosophical than it is about personnel

i do think we lose something from our sim pressures/zero looks if we dont have both LBs on there - i doubt OL are as scared of safeties and CBs (not named Hamilton) coming on the blitz and so if you're not sending Ro, who are they scared of coming from the 2nd level or rushing when other guys are dropping out - i think that's where we're losing value on defence by playing more dime and taking simpson off the field

I think you are 100% right. There was something significantly different identity wise last year. I think Orr is potentially making things harder for himself playing in this identity

 

[UPennChem]

he's not a sideline ball-winner though and he's also not dominant at the catch-point
for all his size and physicality, mark's more of a finesse guy

Honestly Lilely has been the closest thing to what's been described. Think JAX last year

 

[UPennChem]

if you're talking about the ertz play where he was down at the 2, that's just a ridiculous throw into a tiny window
that's just a play where you tip your cap to the offence

Just can't remember. Apologies

 

[rossihunter2]

 

[BoredMarine13]

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Keep Adams the fuck away from this team

Yea that's why I was saying a complimentary piece at WR would be better. Boys have good chemistry right now

 

[Baltimorican]

I don't know if there's a direct correlation, but the OL has been a lot better with Mekari at LG instead of Vorhees (and simultaneously, Roger at RT). Still think Vorhees can be a starter level guy in time, but he wasn't off to a great start and I don't see any reason to go back to him right now as long as we stay healthy.

I think the OLine is settled for now. Mekari IMO was always going to be one of the 5 best and be a full time starter this year, question was where.

 

[rossihunter2]

I think you are 100% right. There was something significantly different identity wise last year. I think Orr is potentially making things harder for himself playing in this identity

worth noting that we Pees was a big supporter of dime defence when he was here and with him (and then wink after him) we were a nightmare to deal with in those looks

not saying it can't look better but i do wonder if they're stuck in two different worlds with the scheme and the personnel usage - and that they dont complement each other at the moment

 

[rossihunter2]

Honestly Lilely has been the closest thing to what's been described. Think JAX last year

Likely definitely a ball-winner
not an outside weapon though

but certainly the closest thing we've got to a "i trust my guy" type receiver

 

[UPennChem]

worth noting that we Pees was a big supporter of dime defence when he was here and with him (and then wink after him) we were a nightmare to deal with in those looks

not saying it can't look better but i do wonder if they're stuck in two different worlds with the scheme and the personnel usage - and that they dont complement each other at the moment

Yep at least Pees is here to help now. Hopefully he can get this scheme to the best of its capabilities. But I fear even still it might be a bit outdated

 

[Simba]

worth noting that we Pees was a big supporter of dime defence when he was here and with him (and then wink after him) we were a nightmare to deal with in those looks

not saying it can't look better but i do wonder if they're stuck in two different worlds with the scheme and the personnel usage - and that they dont complement each other at the moment

You also kind of understand why we'd go that route. The secondary has so much natural talent that it's hard not to look at it and say that having 6 of those guys on the field is a bad idea.

It seems like dime can work if there's more of an emphasis on disguise and using guys in different areas of the field. It feels very much like a 'go out there and play your position' thing instead of the fluidity and flexibility we've become known for.

I look at Kyle Hamilton in particular. He's still having a good year, but the difference between him and a great year just feels like it's because they have him playing more of a traditional S role (or at least responsibilities) instead of letting that dude matchup and play all over the place.

 

[Adreme]

Listening to national media you can tell how badly they want Washington to be legit. Huge market that's been down for years

It’s also because everyone wants to see the new exciting QB and having something unexpected happen can be fun.

6 months ago the AFC was Chiefs, Ravens, Bengals, and Texans. The NFC was 49ers, Lions, Packers, and maybe the Eagles if they (Hurts) can put it together (not play like trash with an overwhelming talented roster). Having something shake that up can be exciting and make for good television.

 

[UPennChem]

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[rossihunter2]

You also kind of understand why we'd go that route. The secondary has so much natural talent that it's hard not to look at it and say that having 6 of those guys on the field is a bad idea.

It seems like dime can work if there's more of an emphasis on disguise and using guys in different areas of the field. It feels very much like a 'go out there and play your position' thing instead of the fluidity and flexibility we've become known for.

I look at Kyle Hamilton in particular. He's still having a good year, but the difference between him and a great year just feels like it's because they have him playing more of a traditional S role (or at least responsibilities) instead of letting that dude matchup and play all over the place.

seen a lot more of humphrey in the slot this year which does remove some of the flexibility you love for Kyle

 

[rossihunter2]

It’s also because everyone wants to see the new exciting QB and having something unexpected happen can be fun.

6 months ago the AFC was Chiefs, Ravens, Bengals, and Texans. The NFC was 49ers, Lions, Packers, and maybe the Eagles if they (Hurts) can put it together (not play like trash with an overwhelming talented roster). Having something shake that up can be exciting and make for good television.

6 months ago feels like the jets, dolphins, bills, chargers, cowboys, rams were also being talked about a bunch

if we're talking about last year then it was chiefs, ravens, bills, texans in the AFC (no bengals), and the 49ers, Lions, Packers in the NFC (and no one else)

 

[Adreme]

6 months ago feels like the jets, dolphins, bills, chargers, cowboys, rams were also being talked about a bunch

if we're talking about last year then it was chiefs, ravens, bills, texans in the AFC (no bengals), and the 49ers, Lions, Packers in the NFC (and no one else)

When getting ready for this season I think 95% of the pundits making Super Bowl picks had Texans, Ravens, Bengals, or Chiefs from AFC and Packers, Lions, 49ers, and rarely Eagles from NFC. Almost all of them had 4 of those teams in their conference championship games as well.

When I saw Jets stories it was always “Can Rodgers lead the Jets back to the playoffs” with the same being true of the Dolphins and Chargers. With the Cowboys and Bills it was always “how big of a step back will these teams take after a disastrous offseason”.

Now they can run one of those “can they make the playoffs” stories on the Commanders and it’s exciting because it’s new TV.