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Week 8: Lamar, Our Hands, and The Coaching

For the crowd of its not the coaching, how do you even respond to the following

1) Number 1 defense in 2023.
2) That number 1 defensive roster is legitimately upgraded in 2024.
3) There's a huge efflux of positional coaches and DC
4) The defense has sucked since the beginning of the year
5) The mistakes in week 8 are the same as the ones in weeks 1 and 2
6) The percentages of each formation we run have changed dramatically. From 30th in dime in 2023 to number 1 in 2024.
7) The situational play calling to cover 0 in high pressure situations in 2024
8) A total lack of stunts and sim pressures that we saw in 2023

I'm forcing you to say something of any substance. How is what you're seeing not coaching?

And that's not to say that there aren't inexcusable execution errors. There are, there always have been and there always will be. It's never acceptable to drop 3 INTs. But that has literally nothing to do with what's above regarding repeated mistakes.
 
This team just have too many problems to make a deep run in the playoffs :
1) Defense is worst in the NFL forcing Lamar to be perfect which he mostly has been . Not today though
2) Orr is clearly not ready to be a DC and his players may be turning on him . When an elite player like
Roquan is playing poorly I’ll blame the coaches every time
3) Marcus Williams and Eddie Jackson are friggin terrible . No way can you win a Super Bowl let alone a playoff
game with Free Safety play like this . Worst I’ve ever seen on a Ravens team .
4) Justin Tucker is sadly finished . No leg strength anymore and he will need to be replaced next year .
5) Offensive line play is inconsistent and against good defensive lines they give Lamar little time to throw .
 
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redrum52 said:
Of all safeties last year pff rated Williams 10th. Im not big on their grades. Do we really think this is just him falling off? And that was playing injured.
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I don't think he has physically, but there's something mental going on. He's blown a lot of coverages and even when he plays them correctly, he's multiple steps late. I don't know if he just can't get this D down or what.
 
UPennChem said:
For the crowd of its not the coaching, how do you even respond to the following

1) Number 1 defense in 2023.
2) That number 1 defensive roster is legitimately upgraded in 2024.
3) There's a huge efflux of positional coaches and DC
4) The defense has sucked since the beginning of the year
5) The mistakes in week 8 are the same as the ones in weeks 1 and 2
6) The percentages of each formation we run have changed dramatically. From 30th in dime in 2023 to number 1 in 2024.
7) The situational play calling to cover 0 in high pressure situations in 2024
8) A total lack of stunts and sim pressures that we saw in 2023

I'm forcing you to say something of any substance. How is what you're seeing not coaching?

And that's not to say that there aren't inexcusable execution errors. There are, there always have been and there always will be. It's never acceptable to drop 3 INTs. But that has literally nothing to do with what's above regarding repeated mistakes.
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I will say it appears losing Clowney was big regarding no 2
 
Simba said:
And if he doesn't call an absolutely abysmal direct snap to Derrick Henry, that's another 7 points. I'm all for blaming players - I actually prefer it. But Todd tried way too hard today.
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I mean henry did it in tenn and it worked plenty of times
 
redrum52 said:
Of all safeties last year pff rated Williams 10th. Im not big on their grades. Do we really think this is just him falling off? And that was playing injured.
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I think Williams probably been too concerned with trying to clean up other players mistakes then focusing on his own assignment. I think the secondary coach they have is good but losing Wilson just probably was a bigger loss than expected. Some times good players and elite players just have down years too. Seems like the secondary just needs balance and some form of stability which could happen if the team pass rush improves.
 
UPennChem said:
For the crowd of its not the coaching, how do you even respond to the following

1) Number 1 defense in 2023.
2) That number 1 defensive roster is legitimately upgraded in 2024.
3) There's a huge efflux of positional coaches and DC
4) The defense has sucked since the beginning of the year
5) The mistakes in week 8 are the same as the ones in weeks 1 and 2
6) The percentages of each formation we run have changed dramatically. From 30th in dime in 2023 to number 1 in 2024.
7) The situational play calling to cover 0 in high pressure situations in 2024
8) A total lack of stunts and sim pressures that we saw in 2023

I'm forcing you to say something of any substance. How is what you're seeing not coaching?

And that's not to say that there aren't inexcusable execution errors. There are, there always have been and there always will be. It's never acceptable to drop 3 INTs. But that has literally nothing to do with what's above regarding repeated mistakes.
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I mean there's clearly some coaching influence, but I refuse to blame Orr or any other coach on the roster for 2 guys completely abandoning their zone to key in a guy in another player's zone. It's happened far too often and that's a lack of discipline and execution on the players' part.
 
UPennChem said:
You're right he's not bad. He's just at the same time not good enough to win a SB with. Because he is far too easily spooked and has some truly terrible tendencies.

Even a casual fan is not stupid enough to take the ball out of Lamar's hands. And certainly not stupid to do it a second time after getting a reality check of how poorly it went the first time.

He's supposed to call his best play in those situations and he routinely calls his worst.
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He is without a doubt good enough for us to win a SB..
 
Simba said:
I mean there's clearly some coaching influence, but I refuse to blame Orr or any other coach on the roster for 2 guys completely abandoning their zone to key in a guy in another player's zone. It's happened far too often and that's a lack of discipline and execution on the players' part.
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And you know what im gonna say to that. I 100% agree. That is totally undisciplined and unacceptable behavior. But here's the thing, the players doing that are among the elites in the NFL. They're not UDFA scrubs playing on the Panthers. So if you have that happening week after week, you have to as the DC get that corrected. It's literally your job.

Also under the previous regime, this happened a LITTLE early in his tenure and by rookies mostly. These is not the same circumstances
 
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Simba said:
We employ the most dynamic player in the NFL and completely took him out of a critical play. There's no excuse for that, even if it had worked. I said it was a dumb play call as soon as they lined up and there's no result that would have changed that for me.
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Yea it was a bad playcall but lets not forget that the only reason why we are winning game is because of his play calling. He is making us forget that our oline is assss
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
I agree. The playcalling had some head scratchers today but playcalling on offense is nowhere near why we lost
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Let me start by saying I don't hate the man and I don't think he should lose his job. He's probably the best OC we ever had up their with Kubiak. But it's fair to acknowledge what's below.

It was one of them. The zero points on the first drive could've been the difference independent of the defensive shit. But this is the same guy who will do exactly this kinda BS multiple more times this year because that's what he does.

He's the same guy that called that awful play to Zay last week that nearly helped them come back. He acknowledged in his presser that call was just so stupid in that situation.

He's the same one which will abandon the run even with Derrick.

These are just things you can't do if you want to win a SB
 
Just a reminder.., We were winning this game with less than 3 minutes left when Hambone dropped the game wiinning pick. Catch the ball please.
 
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