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The Running Game, the Turnovers, and the Same Ol’ Ravens
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OURavensFan
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The only time lack of running was an issue was after the Bateman bomb down to the 2. Just run the Andrews play 4x I mean come on
I don’t think we'll ever see a game like Flacco's 4/10 for 34 yards and an INT, but still win ever again.
But Flacco walked away with the win, so he's the GOAT.
On a serious note- it is so frustrating that Lamar is labeled as this choker and failure, and yes he made mistakes, but he was damn near perfect otherwise. It just sucks because the rest of the team also had their fair share of mistakes and stepped up around Lamar too late (or not at all in the case of Andrews). There's just rarely been games that I've seen where the team around Lamar plays so well that they pick up a bad game from Lamar and carry him across the finish line.
A real white Lightning. White chocolate. The good kind.
Romo was advocating that for the Bills when they were at the two with two downs to go. I do wonder if a team would ever do that four times in a row...
OURavensFan
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It’s incredibly frustrating, and then you have to hear the flip side about certain guys being clutch when it’s not even true. I won’t say who because I know I’m complaining a lot about it. But hell, even Josh Allen didn’t do shit this game we just played or the last playoff game against him. So unbelievably frustrating.
I just wish it was a much smaller crowd of haters for Lamar. He played great the second half, it should be, damn it’s unfortunate he had two turnovers but man he rallied back and was clutch that last drive. But instead it’s, Lamar is a choke artist he sucks in the playoffs!
OURavensFan
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I understand the generalizations but the Bills fans on X have been insufferable all season about Lamar. They can’t even take this win without making themselves the victims somehow acting like Lamar is the most coddled player in nfl history and that Josh would be getting killed if he had 2 TOs. I’m not sure what world they live in where Lamar gets no criticism, Lamar will be ranked 15th by some experts going into the season next year (exaggeration but still) and will have to prove that he can still read a defense again. He’ll play MVP level next year and it will just be, but the playoffs!
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The voices of a few don’t always represent the many. We’ve got our own subset of knuckleheads too, as does every other fanbase.
allblackraven
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Two yards is a long way for tush push but certainly not too far for our jumbo package. I will never understand it.
OURavensFan
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I think what bothers me most is hearing it so frequently from Ravens fans.
I have never seen a more disrespected (soon to be) three time MVP.
We are witnessing greatness at a level I don't think any of us imagined a Raven could achieve. People should be more appreciative of what we have because the team was mediocre as hell with Flacco post Super Bowl and Lamar breathed life and excitement to the team in a way I only ever experienced during the Super Bowl run.
I think it's more the thought that the tush push usually gives one yard, so if you need two, logic would stand to reason you can get it in four tries.
I think for me it's a loud vocal group and seems to be a very large amount due to the fact that Allen will (likely) have zero MVPs after this season and if he doesn't win the Super Bowl, he doesn't have anything to stand out the way Lamar does.
Bills fans are so upset that Lamar gets the accolades he does and feel so slighted.
It's just annoying because Lamar winning MVP doesn't mean Allen hasn't had good seasons or that he isn't a good quarterback. It'd be like saying Drew Brees is only mediocre because he never won MVP. It's dumb.
ravenslord
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I guess im gonna watch the last episode of Hard Knocks AFC North. Not sure I'm ready to watch it though.
ravenslord
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Allen really did nothing in the divisional game other than not turn the ball over. That was the Bills strategy, play super conservative ,run the ball well (which they did) and win the turnover battle. That's it.
I honestly think, outside of first half run defense, that the Ravens just did a good job of limiting the Bills offense. It's easy to say they played conservative, but it was only more than a 1 score game for about five minutes.
The Ravens generally did a good job of suffocating the Bills offense and keeping it underneath.
But yes, they didn't turn the ball over despite facing the same slick conditions as the Ravens and that was the ultimate difference.
rmcjacket23
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I'm not necessarily lining up in I formation and pounding the ball in isn't something you can't do, but I don't think fans understand that lining up at the 30 yard line and doing it is a LOT different than at the 2. There's basically a minimum of 9-10 guys in the box at the goal line. You need like 7-8 guys all executing their blocks at a high level, simultaneously, for that to work.
It's why so many teams run play actions and bootlegs at the goal line.
UPennChem
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Yeah and that's why they won. Their whole team, didn't collapse under pressure. I said it right after the game. They didn't play that well at all. But it didn't matter because we gifted them an easy win. You don't win road playoff games with a minus 3 TO differential. Yet again, all self inflicted wounds.
Don't drop wide open passes that hit you in the hands
Don't run the wrong routes at this point in the season
Dont snap the ball wild as fuck
Live to see another day when something bad happens
Don't fumble trying to do more than you're capable of
I might sound like a douche but those are the most basic principles of football. And anyone with any kind of brain knows that the margin for winning and losing in the playoffs is so much smaller than regular season. That directly implies more often than not, whoever just plays more disciplined ball will win.
Out of the 10 games where there was an nonzero TO differential, the team with less turnovers won every time. That corresponded to 8 out of 10 games.
We deserved to lose because like every year, our team gets jittery, and self implodes, failing to play the disciplined quality of football required to win. Plain and simple.
UPennChem
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Separately, I know I'm in the vast minority here but I think Todd Monken does very little to help Lamar. He runs a scheme which is infinitely better than Roman's. That's settled. But what im talking about is situationally, the game day tactics.
So much of our success (I've been doing some mental math here based on observation so don't quote me) about 67-75% of our passing TDs are because Lamar made something happen rather than the play just working.
And when it comes to is he using the run game enough? Why were there zero read options vs the Bills? Why are the 2 point conversions so bad? Why is Ronnie Stanley running routes in critical moments?
I just feel like Todd knows what an NFL offense should look like and has setup the bones for that here. And for that I'm appreciative because Roman doesn't. But I think he's just so lacking when it comes to being the conductor of the Orchestra situationally in big games. He's always outmatched against anyone of any talent at all.
So much of our success (I've been doing some mental math here based on observation so don't quote me) about 67-75% of our passing TDs are because Lamar made something happen rather than the play just working.
And when it comes to is he using the run game enough? Why were there zero read options vs the Bills? Why are the 2 point conversions so bad? Why is Ronnie Stanley running routes in critical moments?
I just feel like Todd knows what an NFL offense should look like and has setup the bones for that here. And for that I'm appreciative because Roman doesn't. But I think he's just so lacking when it comes to being the conductor of the Orchestra situationally in big games. He's always outmatched against anyone of any talent at all.
OURavensFan
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Absolutely. You never ever see other fanbases attack their QB the way we do. If we just won in 2019 or 2023 we could be a little more relaxed knowing Lamar won’t be Dan Marino, right now that’s bad enough of a prospect but Allen or Burrow or Daniels winning one and not Lamar is even worse of a prospect.
Let us know how it is, I saw the wired clip and Lamar is a great teammate.