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2025 Offseason Thread

so the raiders are a better team than us then by that logic?
they beat us and had maxx crosby therefore they must be a better team right...
Come on my guy, don't extend my language beyond what I said. On Sunday Buffalo was better. On that day, Vegas was better.

You know more than anyone I'm the king of saying the losses are extremely annoying when you're clearly the better team.
 
So the only thing I'd say is that the "really large amount of evidence they won't" involves a very, very, very small list of players, because it crosses many, many years. And # 8 is at the very top of every objective person's list of said players. So either that player needs to play better, or a QB change is needed. If the only objective is to win the SB.
8 is completely capable of playing well enough to win a SB. You've seen it in every win and in the second half of the Buffalo game. But for 8 to win a SB, he and his team all have to play better than they have in each of those 6 losses.
 
Then that’s a whole different discussion. That’s about a team being mentally tough at critical points. Has nothing to do with how many impact players we have, because we absolutely do have them. I too think it’s concerning they don’t all show up when they need to, but that doesn’t make them not impact players in my eyes.
I'll end it here because it probably isn't fruitful last this. Marlon and Hamilton and Andrews and all our really good players, are just that. Really good players and you're happy to have them on your team.

The thing is though, those guys on defense have not forced even 1 turnover in all of Lamar's playoff games combined (someone fact check it but i saw that somewhere). And the guys on offense have dropped a lot of balls, blocked poorly, thrown a lot of ints and fumbled.

When I say impact players, I'm talking about the ones who truly win you big games. Mahomes, Kelce, and Jones have been such a dominant trio at doing just that.

Lamar has to become that guy by being him but reducing turnovers. We need Hamilton to be that guy by getting back to being a chess piece. We have Henry but failed to get him in position to win us the game. Just my thoughts. Players who get you over the top.
 
I'll end it here because it probably isn't fruitful last this. Marlon and Hamilton and Andrews and all our really good players, are just that. Really good players and you're happy to have them on your team.

The thing is though, those guys on defense have not forced even 1 turnover in all of Lamar's playoff games combined (someone fact check it but i saw that somewhere). And the guys on offense have dropped a lot of balls, blocked poorly, thrown a lot of ints and fumbled.

When I say impact players, I'm talking about the ones who truly win you big games. Mahomes, Kelce, and Jones have been such a dominant trio at doing just that.

Lamar has to become that guy by being him but reducing turnovers. We need Hamilton to be that guy by getting back to being a chess piece. We have Henry but failed to get him in position to win us the game. Just my thoughts. Players who get you over the top.
Impact != clutch
 
You're right. We need guys who are both. They are indeed distinct.
Yeah we have impact guys all over defense except Edge. That’s really the one I’d say isn’t high impact. We absolutely need people to get some clutch gene. I kinda wonder if even the team thinks and relies on Lamar to pull wins out his ass. Watching them on defense makes me wonder sometimes. Defense played well too, but even they could be better.
 
Yeah we have impact guys all over defense except Edge. That’s really the one I’d say isn’t high impact. We absolutely need people to get some clutch gene. I kinda wonder if even the team thinks and relies on Lamar to pull wins out his ass. Watching them on defense makes me wonder sometimes. Defense played well too, but even they could be better.
My point the whole time has been the roster is good. We'll be in the playoffs again as long as Lamar's healthy. But guys gotta be more clutch on offense and they gotta be even more impactful on defense.
 
My point the whole time has been the roster is good. We'll be in the playoffs again as long as Lamar's healthy. But guys gotta be more clutch on offense and they gotta be even more impactful on defense.
I think it’s clutch everywhere. We really do have an amazing roster. It’s a really good build. Edge is the biggest problem honestly but the roster is solid. It’s players not playing well, which they can do. That is a clutch issue to me
 
The thing is though, those guys on defense have not forced even 1 turnover in all of Lamar's playoff games combined (someone fact check it but i saw that somewhere). And the guys on offense have dropped a lot of balls, blocked poorly, thrown a lot of ints and fumbled.

none of those guys have a turnover in a lamar playoff game
hamilton had one in the tyler huntley playoff game though

the other two were marcus peters (titans win) and tyus bowser (chargers loss)
 
My point the whole time has been the roster is good. We'll be in the playoffs again as long as Lamar's healthy. But guys gotta be more clutch on offense and they gotta be even more impactful on defense.

i do think that the ravens are partly the creators of their own misfortune partly because of the way the regular season always goes

we never get blown out, so we're never in chase mode
we are rarely in situations where we're driving to win/tie to finish the game because we're often leading or leading by a lot

10 of the chiefs 15 regular season wins were 1 score games
they're well practiced in those game-winning/losing situations at the ends of games

i wonder if part of our problem is that our team is too good in the regular season and our point differential is so good consistently (because Lamar's a soon to be 3 time MVP and we have a consistently good defence) that we dont end up in these kinds of game situations
 
I think it’s clutch everywhere. We really do have an amazing roster. It’s a really good build. Edge is the biggest problem honestly but the roster is solid. It’s players not playing well, which they can do. That is a clutch issue to me

i really do think a high quality/dominant edge defender makes a huge difference in the playoffs

the easiest ways to ruin an offensive game plan is with 4 man pressures
the easiest ways to ease an offensive game plan is with a good running game

we've got one of those but not the other
 
I think if I have to pick a team to root for it's going to be the Bills. I've not liked them since they lost 3 straight SB's. I still can't stand Jim Kelly. Yet, I find myself liking the Bills Mafia guys for their support of Mark Andrews. What Social Media has been doing to him and his GF is appalling. Anyway... Another championship for either KC or Philly would be intolerable and I refuse to root for the Foreskins, so it looks like the Bills.

edit--- the only thing about the Bills is Lamar would be the last of the draft class to get a SB. But concessions must be made. lol
;)
 
I think if I have to pick a team to root for it's going to be the Bills. I've not liked them since they lost 3 straight SB's. I still can't stand Jim Kelly. Yet, I find myself liking the Bills Mafia guys for their support of Mark Andrews. What Social Media has been doing to him and his GF is appalling. Anyway... Another championship for either KC or Philly would be intolerable and I refuse to root for the Foreskins, so it looks like the Bills.

edit--- the only thing about the Bills is Lamar would be the last of the draft class to get a SB. But concessions must be made. lol
;)
How would Lamar be last?
 
it might be vorhees again next year (just like it was tyre phillips twice too)

you also forgot the Sala experiment
God. So I did. You'd think they'd learn after 9 straight years of giving some random long shot almost 100% of the practice snaps and let whoever is actually going to be starting after the Wk 2 pivot get a bit of practice too.
 
God. So I did. You'd think they'd learn after 9 straight years of giving some random long shot almost 100% of the practice snaps and let whoever is actually going to be starting after the Wk 2 pivot get a bit of practice too.

the other example of this from this year was RR and Faalele not getting to practice with each other for most of training camp... they only played together in preseason games - i get that you want the rookies to get as many reps as possible etc. and not to just give them the role without earning it

but chemistry matters on the OL so much (why the ravens OL typically gets better as the season goes on)
 
the other example of this from this year was RR and Faalele not getting to practice with each other for most of training camp... they only played together in preseason games - i get that you want the rookies to get as many reps as possible etc. and not to just give them the role without earning it

but chemistry matters on the OL so much (why the ravens OL typically gets better as the season goes on)
There's not much to criticize about what the Ravens do but the way they hold back some players (like high drafted rookies) and over trust others (late round fliers in Y2 -4) in the off season might have affected chemistry and led, in part, to the early season struggles that meant we had to go to Buffalo in the cold rather than hosting a game.

It doesn't make sense when you think about it, to tell Rosengarden etc, to prove themselves, while giving Tyre or Sala big roles when the only thing they'd proved up to that point was that they couldn't do it.
 
There's not much to criticize about what the Ravens do but the way they hold back some players (like high drafted rookies) and over trust others (late round fliers in Y2 -4) in the off season might have affected chemistry and led, in part, to the early season struggles that meant we had to go to Buffalo in the cold rather than hosting a game.

It doesn't make sense when you think about it, to tell Rosengarden etc, to prove themselves, while giving Tyre or Sala big roles when the only thing they'd proved up to that point was that they couldn't do it.

tbf pretty different situations

tyre and sala got opportunities because the cupboard was completely bare

RR had to wait because mekari was already here as a RT
 
tbf in context he didnt bring up the idea of roger switching

he only responded to someone asking if RR could switch if ronnie left and he brought up that RR played some LT in college
Thing is....Roger Rosengarten really didn't NOT play any left tackle in college. He only had 3 snaps at LT and that was in 2023. In 2021 and 2022 he had no snaps at LT. He probably played LT in high school. That being said, I do believe he has the ability, due to his athleticism, to be a left tackle and that's why I liked him in college. I never expected Stanley to have the year he just had and was looking at OT than had the ability to play left tackle in the NFL.
 
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