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The Offseason Thread

RavensMania

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More balanced sure, but this team should be a run first team. We've re-established an identity as a run first, defensive built team with Lamar. Best to keep it that way. It might not be a bad idea to get ourselves a bell cow RB either to take the pressure off of the guy.
I agree we need to be run first
 

DeVito52

Ravens Ring of Honor
I suppose you're right. You should probably just stay at the first grade level. So you should only read Dr. Seuss from now on.

Right Gastón?
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I just skipped to the gif so I’m not sure what you said, but I totally agree
 

rossihunter2

Staff Member
Moderator
Pertaining to the article @RavensMania and Zrebiec or whatever his name is posted, it is not going to be sustainable to run the ball 65% of the time and that is true... But that's more due to the scheme we ran the back half of the season. Go back and watch the Kollman video. Some people see gimmick by Roman, I see genius. I won't mention my two favorite oline starters but to have an effective rushing attack shows that Roman is learning and progressing. Also shows how absolutely imperative it is. Give Lamar a good, non gimmicky offensive line and the offense is going to be set.

Which leads me to my second point. We are going to have capital to spend after Flacco, Weddle, and possibly Jimmy are gone. SPEND IT ON PASS RUSHERS(notice the plural) and a FS. With how often Wink blitzes, we need guys who can apply the pressure. Multiple of them since we will have virtually no chance of securing an elite pass rusher. You have yourself an offense that can pound the balll down your throat at will wth a defense that can pressure you to no end with a really good secondary, you're going to have 10+ wins.

I'd also tell everyone to temper their expectations. Lamar was indeed atrocious in the postseason. It's nothing to worry about long-term, he was a rookie and is young, and the lack of talent on the oline was exposed by one of the best defensive coordinators in the business. Lamar needs to become better at reading the defenses post-snap. It's a concern for the majority of rookie quarterbacks unless your name is Andrew Luck.

Something else to note that not many people are bringing up. Hopefully we can look past the tweets made by Ricard years and years ago, but given today's PC culture where everyone gets offended by everything, I wouldn't bank on it. We could be in the market for a full back. It's a power scheme, and Lamar is not going to be running as much read option next season, at least he shouldn't. We need to start running more plays under center for him and relying more on the running back in the hope of preserving the guy. Smash mouth offense calls for smash mouth solutions, and a versitle fullback might just be what the doctor ordered. One that is a good pass catcher on top of being a good blocker. Losing Juice two years ago sucked lol, and Ricard is a good player and I hope we can look past what he did, but given the culture of today, I doubt it.

With regards to Ricard I don’t think the tweets helped - within the locker room more than in the front office tbh - Michael pierce saying he felt weird about it in the aftermath is pretty telling I think

More important though to his future as a fullback honestly is the fact that he’s basically completely unnecessary in a running game that operates with options/fake options out of the shotgun - every week it was basically project pat vs maxx for the gameday roster spot and maxx’s ability to pull across the line and cross the formation pre-snap was way more useful

Yes we run power but we don’t really use a traditional fullback anymore - if we were to find an h-back like juscyzyk in the draft I think we’d have use for him in that maxx role but ultimately I think you see us carry 4 TEs again next year (hopefully Andrews, Hurst, re-signed Boyle and then another TE)

If pat’s gonna make the roster he’s gonna have to make it as a pure DL (and retain the fb option value but it won’t make a difference to his making of the roster or not)

We’ll see what happens with urban but we have Pierce, Williams, Wormley and Henry all ahead of him already + Sieler will be more improved and this draft class is hella loaded with DL talent
 

BaltRavens

Practice Squad
With regards to Ricard I don’t think the tweets helped - within the locker room more than in the front office tbh - Michael pierce saying he felt weird about it in the aftermath is pretty telling I think

More important though to his future as a fullback honestly is the fact that he’s basically completely unnecessary in a running game that operates with options/fake options out of the shotgun - every week it was basically project pat vs maxx for the gameday roster spot and maxx’s ability to pull across the line and cross the formation pre-snap was way more useful

Yes we run power but we don’t really use a traditional fullback anymore - if we were to find an h-back like juscyzyk in the draft I think we’d have use for him in that maxx role but ultimately I think you see us carry 4 TEs again next year (hopefully Andrews, Hurst, re-signed Boyle and then another TE)

If pat’s gonna make the roster he’s gonna have to make it as a pure DL (and retain the fb option value but it won’t make a difference to his making of the roster or not)

We’ll see what happens with urban but we have Pierce, Williams, Wormley and Henry all ahead of him already + Sieler will be more improved and this draft class is hella loaded with DL talent

Yep. Spot on.
This draft is going to be very interesting without Ozzie. I hope Roman is an improvement over Marty, and we will see what other additions come to the staff. We as a team have to keep climbing, as well as the progression of Jackson in the passing game. After all, the NFL became a passing league in 2010.
 

JO_75

Hall of Famer
So Weddle now says he may play elsewhere and not retire.

“[I’m] not sure if things are going to get worked out with Baltimore,” Weddle told the team website, via the Baltimore Sun.

Weddle has had “great conversations” with General Manager Eric DeCosta. But with Weddle due to make $6.5 million in base salary in 2019, it seems likely the Ravens would want Weddle to take a pay cut if he returns.

Weddle did not indicate whether the Ravens want him back.

“I want to finish out [my contract],” Weddle, 34, said. “But obviously, decisions have to be made for the future of the team, the organization. They’ve got to do what’s best for them, and I respect that.

“. . .[We’ll] see if there’s something to be worked out. If not, then I’ve had an unbelievable experience here and loved every second. So if it does happen, we both move on and then . . . we’ll see if I’ll play somewhere else or hang ’em up.”
 

Oldfaithful

Hall of Famer
So Weddle now says he may play elsewhere and not retire.

“[I’m] not sure if things are going to get worked out with Baltimore,” Weddle told the team website, via the Baltimore Sun.

Weddle has had “great conversations” with General Manager Eric DeCosta. But with Weddle due to make $6.5 million in base salary in 2019, it seems likely the Ravens would want Weddle to take a pay cut if he returns.

Weddle did not indicate whether the Ravens want him back.

“I want to finish out [my contract],” Weddle, 34, said. “But obviously, decisions have to be made for the future of the team, the organization. They’ve got to do what’s best for them, and I respect that.

“. . .[We’ll] see if there’s something to be worked out. If not, then I’ve had an unbelievable experience here and loved every second. So if it does happen, we both move on and then . . . we’ll see if I’ll play somewhere else or hang ’em up.”
@allblackraven: trader
 

Deebo813

Hall of Famer
If lamar accuracy dont improve and or if we are still running this wack scheme next yr.... im gonna be disappointed like a mf.
 

RL52TheGreatest

Ravens Ring of Honor
If lamar accuracy dont improve and or if we are still running this wack scheme next yr.... im gonna be disappointed like a mf.

The "wack" scheme worked pretty damn well until the playoff game in which Marty didn't change anything in the game-plan from our first game against the Chargers. We just need to tweak it so that Lamar is passing the ball more and play to his strengths (middle of the field throws, get the TEs more involved in the passing game, take more play-action deep shots, etc.).

As for Lamar's accuracy: yeah, he definitely needs to work on it, but I'll honestly be surprised if we don't see any improvement in that area. Lamar seems to have a great attitude and you can tell from his interviews that he wants to be great so I'm sure he'll be working on it all during the off-season.
 

RL52TheGreatest

Ravens Ring of Honor
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pretty damning indictment of the receivers - note this stat isnt incompletions it's drops of "catchable balls" so Lamar's low completion % doesn't affect these results

3rd straight year of a complete rebuild at wr methinks

I knew Brown had some drop problems, but I didn't think it was this bad.....

The only one we should keep out of the three is Snead. The WR FA class doesn't seem all that great though so I could see us still keeping Crabtree around for one more year. Brown, on the other hand, doesn't really fit our offense with Lamar and I don't think he'll be back.
 

RavensMania

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pretty damning indictment of the receivers - note this stat isnt incompletions it's drops of "catchable balls" so Lamar's low completion % doesn't affect these results

3rd straight year of a complete rebuild at wr methinks
I'd actually like to know what his drop rate was starting after the first Browns game. Really surprising to see John Brown on that list.
 

Deebo813

Hall of Famer
The "wack" scheme worked pretty damn well until the playoff game in which Marty didn't change anything in the game-plan from our first game against the Chargers. We just need to tweak it so that Lamar is passing the ball more and play to his strengths (middle of the field throws, get the TEs more involved in the passing game, take more play-action deep shots, etc.).

As for Lamar's accuracy: yeah, he definitely needs to work on it, but I'll honestly be surprised if we don't see any improvement in that area. Lamar seems to have a great attitude and you can tell from his interviews that he wants to be great so I'm sure he'll be working on it all during the off-season.
i agree with you on the lamar part for sure but as far as scheme, it wont work! That option stuff with one wr and 3 TEs will not work at all.. it wont win us a SB for sure
 

RL52TheGreatest

Ravens Ring of Honor
i agree with you on the lamar part for sure but as far as scheme, it wont work! That option stuff with one wr and 3 TEs will not work at all.. it wont win us a SB for sure

It did work though for the majority of our games. I'm not saying we should use the same exact scheme, as we need to let Lamar pass the ball more, but it can still be very effective as long as we don't overuse it.
 

JAAM

Hall of Famer
I knew Brown had some drop problems, but I didn't think it was this bad.....

The only one we should keep out of the three is Snead. The WR FA class doesn't seem all that great though so I could see us still keeping Crabtree around for one more year. Brown, on the other hand, doesn't really fit our offense with Lamar and I don't think he'll be back.
I really don't want Crabtree back. Out of that trio, Snead is the most important for Lamar's development. Crabtree's drops are only hurting Lamar's confidence as a passer. Maybe we'll make a splash trade like we did for Boldin. A durable vet that catches everything in sight.
 
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