allblackraven
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If they edited out the names and places and asked who said that and where, just a few years ago majority of us would expect to hear N. Korea / some official over there.
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Inqui
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I'm personally not sold on a UBI (I suspect there are more productive ways to achieve the same policy goal) but the idea's been gaining traction around the world for a few years now and it's not going away any time soon. And in the long term the right will have to come up with more than the usual "but socialism..." excuse.
I can bring up all kinds of reports that mention just how many jobs are at risk of automation in the near to medium term. You may have heard that nearly every truck driver and taxi driver will have their job seriously at risk when automated vehicles are properly released to the market, and that's only getting started. The kind of job replacement that is happening and will continue to happen is on the kind of scale that's never been seen before. There are actually places where high-skilled professionals like doctors, lawyers and investment managers are getting automated out already. And as humans get more expensive and machines get cheaper and better, not only will more jobs get automated out but they'll get automated out at a faster rate. And that has all kinds of ramifications for the economy and society.
I thoroughly recommend watching this video (it's not a political one so it won't have you marching down Washington to the Soviet anthem or anything. It can just as easily go in the science thread) to get a better idea of all this.
Like I say I'm not yet sold on a UBI. But whenever I vote or keep an eye on other countries' elections I always look at which candidates are best prepared for the future (and you can see why I'm cynical about people whose best idea is to bring their country back to the 1950s), and at least Andrew Yang seems to have been thinking about it.
Inqui
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He seems to be channeling the kind of energy Bernie was a few years ago, and it's clear there's demand for SOME kind of radical change (even Trump implicitly promised a massive shake-up). I see POTUS as more of like a general manager than the quasi-king people seem to regard the role as. But presidential candidates do have a lot of pull in shifting the Overton window and a lot of Yang's ideas make sense and will be in the political arena for some time yet.
I also quite like Pete Buttigieg and I was meaning to ask what people (especially the centrists who have genuine swing vote potential) think of him.
cdp
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Thanks for sharing this video! I've also heared discussions in which they used the term "digital dividend" instead of UBI. It's not only the truck and taxi drivers, normal office jobs can also be affected. Big4 accounting firms are outsourcing their taxation divison to India.
Willbacker
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Maybe if they did that it would be a "constitutional crisis".
Willbacker
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What are his ideas/proposals? Talking bout Mayor Pete.
Dom McRaven
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To me, I just don't like the idea of being offered a set amount when there's a possibility to make more. I work as an accountant and while I don't make boatloads of money or anything like that, I make over $1,000 a week. Now, if automation becomes a serious issue (or WHEN it becomes a serious issue rather), then I'll consider it...
Ellicottraven
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Frankly he's the most impressive candidate from either party imo. If one can look past his sexuality (if they have issues and I don't care), he is the most cerebral, witty, brave and competent young Presidential candidate I've listened to and I don't say this lightly.
As for his ideas/proposals he has outlined broad ideas that are yet to be fleshed out. He says big issues need to have interactive conversation and reasoned debate before arbitrarily putting them out.... is that a cop out? I don't know.
Willbacker
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Right now when we have a 3.6% unemployment rate with 7.6 mil unfilled jobs according to the bureau of labor statistics this is not the time to be talking about universal income. This would just provide more dependence on the govt which a blind man can see is what the left wants.
It really is upsetting when I see a lot of young people saying "Resist,Resist". What for more govt intervention/control? True rebels I tell ya.
Inqui
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He's pretty moderate policy-wise. His big one's probably abolishing the electoral college (which I can't see happening) and giving Washington DC and Puerto Rico statehood. Otherwise it's stuff like getting a single-payer healthcare option to compete with the private sector, working with unions and taking antitrust and the digital economy seriously, getting back into the Paris agreement and subsidising solar panels, a pathway to citizenship, withdrawing from Afghanistan but staying in Syria, leniency towards weed and background checks for gun owners. Agree or disagree (I'd expect the latter more often than not lol) most of that stuff's pretty incremental.
As @Ellicottraven said the main thing that strikes me is the way he carries himself when he speaks. He seems a lot more willing to reach out and collaborate with the other side than most, and his approach seems to be a lot more win-win than Trump's win-lose philosophy. As I said earlier lot of a president's power is in their public image and I'd love to have someone like him addressing and representing my country.
He also seems a lot more electable than a lot of the other candidates, so that's why I was curious about what the centrists and moderates here think.
gtalk12
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That's the thing, do we wait for it to become a serious issue before addressing it? Or do we nip it early?
In my eyes, if we wait for it to become a serious issue before addressing could be problematic.
Willbacker
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Most of those ideas are not moderate. Abolishing the electoral college is the most extreme thing that can be done. Cities/high population areas would dominate!! It would kill our checks and balances. And giving PR and DC statehood would just give us 4 more democrat senators. Of course they want that. The single payer healthcare they want to implement here does not include private plans!! Have you been following this at all? Maybe Mayor Pete's is different tbf but we still have that great option called Obamacare. Hows that working? Until we get Russia,China and India into the PCA then doing so is a waste of time. Why withdraw from Afghanistan but stay in Syria? I can understand protecting the Kurds but that's it. Its funny how we can protect other people but screw our own borders. Which gets me to immigration. A pathway to citizenship for whom? DACA? Anybody that claims asylum? Chain migrants and visa lottery receipients? Does open borders with a generous welfare state stay stable for the common person? Do you guys have the same stupid immigration system of catch and release after 20 days and please we trust you to return for your court hearing bullshit? No you don't. Background checks? We already have those. What more do they want to do? All they want to so is ban semi automatics.
Notice how none of them are running on improving the economy?
I don’t get why you’re so scared of more people’s votes mattering - getting rid of the electoral college means you end up with representatives more indicative of the majority’s thinking and also every viewpoint ends up with representation
Why are you so scared of DC and PR having a say in government also? They are US citizens, why shouldn’t they get a vote/have a vote that matters? Are those citizens any less important than you?
52520Andrew
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I think a lot of it is politics. I certainly don't think Republicans would be against it if they benefited from it. But then the Democrats would. I can see both sides in regards to the electoral college debate. In regards to DC, something needs to be done. They can vote for the presidency yes but they have absolutely no representation in congress. Something needs to be done to address that and if people can't agree on that, I really have to question whether or not they value democracy. I think statehood would be a big deal for Puerto Rico as well although that is their decision, don't remember if that is something they wanted there or not.
Ellicottraven
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The fairest and truest democracy has to be embedded in the will of the People. The electoral college is an impediment to true democracy and needs to be abolished. Only the true will of a plurality of people can result in true democracy and equality. Also, as far as I'm concerned the 'Constitution' is an organic document and was meant to be such. You cannot fit a square peg in a round hole and that is exactly what happens when the world has moved past the noble intentions of the US Constitution. It needs to change with progress and applicability. Again these are just my views and not intended to cause distress in pro constitutionalists.
Willbacker
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I thought I was pretty clear that certain areas would consistently run the country. We are not a small country.
Well I guess that would have to also include areas like the Mariana Islands and Guam. They vote too and yes PR had a chance and refused statehood.
JO_75
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Your also shrinking the representation of other states because without an electoral college, only a few states will determine the outcome of an election and less people's votes would matter as you would eliminate small counties in every state. At that point, only the populated counties would matter. The EC is there so every state and county has a say. It's weird how the Electoral College was fine and nobody had an issue with it..... until the democrats lost a Presidential election. I'm neither Democrat or Republican but the constant crying by the democrats is ridiculous.
I do agree that DC & PR should have a vote and find it very odd how DC & PR never had their votes matter though they are apart of the United States. Their votes should be accounted for just like everyone else's.
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