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Pass rush

Edgar

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It's time for a new thread.

I'm really liking the idea of having both McPhee and Ferguson as ends with Pierce (mack?) at 0/1. The two are really adept from either side and McPhee is great inside and out. Hopefully this might apply to Ferguson as well.

Those three with Tim/Judon/Ray off the edge
 

Willbacker

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It's time for a new thread.

I'm really liking the idea of having both McPhee and Ferguson as ends with Pierce (mack?) at 0/1. The two are really adept from either side and McPhee is great inside and out. Hopefully this might apply to Ferguson as well.

Those three with Tim/Judon/Ray off the edge

Ray is gonna be interesting to watch. All I know is he was a high draft pick so hopefully our defensive philosophies brings out the best from him. Something tells me Willie Henry is also gonna be a force from the 3 tech. Willis could also surprize here.
 

Edgar

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Ray is gonna be interesting to watch. All I know is he was a high draft pick so hopefully our defensive philosophies brings out the best from him. Something tells me Willie Henry is also gonna be a force from the 3 tech. Willis could also surprize here.
Don't know why I always forget Willie Henry
 

Edgar

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I'm not giving up on Bowser just yet. Even if he is only decent as a pass rush guy, he offers so much in man coverage
 

gtalk12

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Ray is gonna be interesting to watch. All I know is he was a high draft pick so hopefully our defensive philosophies brings out the best from him. Something tells me Willie Henry is also gonna be a force from the 3 tech. Willis could also surprize here.

I have very HIGH expectations for Willis.
 

JoeyFlex5

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I'm not giving up on Bowser just yet. Even if he is only decent as a pass rush guy, he offers so much in man coverage
He may be a better pass rusher than we give him credit for. Watch the regular season game vs the chargers and keep an eye on him
 

Willbacker

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I have very HIGH expectations for Willis.

I heard he was a day 2 candidate and how he fell to being undrafted is a headscratcher. Maybe medicals or bad interviews. Is preseason or even just training camp here yet lol.
 

JoeyFlex5

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I heard he was a day 2 candidate and how he fell to being undrafted is a headscratcher. Maybe medicals or bad interviews. Is preseason or even just training camp here yet lol.
He was a pretty unanimous third rounder, but he did get in a fight and got put off the team a while back before transferring to Miami so he did have character red flags
 

Edgar

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He may be a better pass rusher than we give him credit for. Watch the regular season game vs the chargers and keep an eye on him
Let me know what you're seeing. He still looks unnatural as all get out stringing anything together.
 

JoeyFlex5

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Let me know what you're seeing. He still looks unnatural as all get out stringing anything together.
I haven’t watched that much of Gerald Willis, I was just going off of what I was seeing on projections, lots of third round projections for him.
 

Edgar

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I heard he was a day 2 candidate and how he fell to being undrafted is a headscratcher. Maybe medicals or bad interviews. Is preseason or even just training camp here yet lol.
He was a pretty unanimous third rounder, but he did get in a fight and got put off the team a while back before transferring to Miami so he did have character red flags
Im just speculating bit I'm guessing it was something we haven't heard about. Mike Zimmer passed on him three times in the sixth round. Something about that is very odd.
 

JoeyFlex5

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sorry...I meant Bowser vs. Chargers
Oh damn I didn’t read the quote I forgot I posted that lol.

At one point later in the game he was inches from being a game wrecker. I posted something a while back with some notes(but no exact time stamps unfortunately) he was wrecking the blocker in front of him seemingly every snap and getting within inches of rivers, he caused Brent Urbans sack by putting the tackle right in rivers lap and causing him to panic(and would’ve gotten the sack over urban had he not gotten held terribly) and was just stringing snaps together.

I’ll try to find the post
 

JoeyFlex5

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@Edgar

rewatching the week 16 chargers game and you know who might be better than we all think, specifically as a pass rusher... is tyus bowser. in his few snaps im keying in on him, and im seeing some good shit from him, he doesnt time his pass rush moves perfectly, but the moves are there, and the athleticism and the reach is showing up and paying off, and hes far more physical than we seem to realize(hes not a physical rusher by any means but hes not as soft at the arc as we claim he is).

in the third quarter he had what couldve and shouldve been 2 consecutive sacks, first off the strong side where he beat the RT around the arc with a great jump and bend but rivers steps up in the pocket and bowser cuts back across the RTs face, swipes at the ball but rivers tucks, and he then pursues him as rivers climbs the pocket and it becomes a bowser tackle for 1 yard gain rather than a sack. the following play he gets a solid first step and rushes wide, then as he closes the distance between he and the LT he does a double hand swipe, he does it a little early but he also came in with a strong head on engage and put the tackle on his heels, bowser begins to bull the LT and he recovers his arms and blatantly bearhugs bowser as he gets bulled into rivers lap, knocks rivers out of his comfort zone and urban comes in on clean up duty for the sack, but without that blatant bearhug bowser easily gets the sack there.

next series in the fourth, second and 10, only 2 bowser snaps later, he rushes tight, brings the tackle in close and benchpresses him wide, COMPLETE disengage almost instantly, closing in on rivers he puts his hands up and forces rivers to put some air under a quick hitch, ball travels slow enough for humphrey to close in and break it up

late in the fourth, 3rd and 5 chargers driving for the first time all night, defense looks to be breaking, clearly in fg range, bowser splis the B gap and the tackle latches on to drive him all the way across the pocket, leaving his side WIDE open for any potential stunts, urban was actually making his way around to shoot that side. no effect on the end result as zadarius smith just crashed the whole show with a inside rush from the opposite side for a deep sack, but definitely impacted the pocket.

im gonna keep watching the rest of this offseason and see if i can see more examples of bowser being sneaky good. because ive been thoroughly disappointed with bowser thus far, but rewatching an entire game for the first time this year im really liking what i see from him.

But I’ll agree he looks unnatural on pass rush moves, his timing is way off, and that may have been the difference on all of these plays between a near-sack and an easy sack. He needs to time his swipes and punches a lot better.
 

redrum52

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Im just speculating bit I'm guessing it was something we haven't heard about. Mike Zimmer passed on him three times in the sixth round. Something about that is very odd.

Pretty sure character concerns were his problem. Besides that, I think everyone thought he was talented. I was shocked we took him considering the choir boy approach we seemed to have towards drafting after Rice. Don't quote me on this, but think he beat up Marty's kid in college over sneakers... or something along those lines. Happy to have him here and hope he makes the most if it.

On topic. Need to start using guys to their strength instead of shelving them. I feel like we've held Bowser and Williams back by trying to turn them into pieces they're not. Finally seems Harbaugh is starting to realize this, though, it seems more forced in certain spots due to players leaving.

Even with those guys gone, we struggled generating a continuous pass rush. I really don't think we get much worse considering the secondary play as well. Henry being back should be a big help on the interior with McPhee. Timmy should be an improvement on the edge over Smith and I dont care what people think.
 
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RavensMania

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Pretty sure character concerns were his problem. Besides that, I think everyone thought he was talented. I was shocked we took him considering the choir boy approach we seemed to have towards drafting after Rice. Don't quote me on this, but think he beat up Marty's kid in college over sneakers... or something along those lines. Happy to have him here and hope he makes the most if it.

On topic. Need to start using guys to their strength instead of shelving them. I feel like we've held Bowser and Williams back by trying to turn them into pieces they're not. Finally seems Harbaugh is starting to realize this, though, it seems more forced in certain spots due to players leaving.

Even with those guys gone, we struggled generating a continuous pass rush. I really don't think we get much worse considering the secondary play as well. Henry being back should be a big help on the interior with McPhee. Timmy should be an improvement on the edge over Smith and I dont care what people think.
could be the reason we signed him. In all truth though, we wouldn't have drafted Timmy Williams if we had such a choir boy mentality.
 
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