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"What ifs"

Dom McRaven

Hall of Famer
Wait didn't he tear his ACL in 2015? Because that year he regressed significantly e.g. bad footwork after Kubiak left.
2013 was just awful. Bad management, OC, Wr, OL, RB.
For whatever reason, I thought that he tore his ACL in 2013 as well but that wasn't the case. Both years were complete shitshows overall though.
 

rossihunter2

Staff Member
Moderator
He was playing like shit before the tear so probably not.

was about to say the same thing - the injury is often used as an excuse as is the lack of talent (which was tbf truly dire) I think people forget how much of that season had been played before Joe got injured... pretty sure we were like 3 or 4 games under .500 before Joe even went down and

that being said...

the 2015 roster was pretty awful in general (the lack of talent added in the 2013, 2014 and 2015 drafts came to bare - outside of CJ Mosley, the only young talent we added in that 3 year period was Brandon Williams, Rick Wagner, Juice (obviously only a FB), Brent Urban (who spent the first 2 seasons injured), Timmy Jernigan (who we traded away), Zadarius Smith who of this list might have had the biggest impact in his rookie year in that 2015 season, Nick Boyle (who spent much of his early playing days in baltimore on the suspended lists)

that's not a great collection of game-changing talent and it came to bare and we started adding more talent again from 2016 and the roster has got better steadily every year since - but that also includes joe being replaced by better talent too

with joe's baltimore career the only real "what if" id be interested in is what if jimmy smith hadnt gone down in 2014
 

redrum52

Hall of Famer
was about to say the same thing - the injury is often used as an excuse as is the lack of talent (which was tbf truly dire) I think people forget how much of that season had been played before Joe got injured... pretty sure we were like 3 or 4 games under .500 before Joe even went down and

that being said...

the 2015 roster was pretty awful in general (the lack of talent added in the 2013, 2014 and 2015 drafts came to bare - outside of CJ Mosley, the only young talent we added in that 3 year period was Brandon Williams, Rick Wagner, Juice (obviously only a FB), Brent Urban (who spent the first 2 seasons injured), Timmy Jernigan (who we traded away), Zadarius Smith who of this list might have had the biggest impact in his rookie year in that 2015 season, Nick Boyle (who spent much of his early playing days in baltimore on the suspended lists)

that's not a great collection of game-changing talent and it came to bare and we started adding more talent again from 2016 and the roster has got better steadily every year since - but that also includes joe being replaced by better talent too


with joe's baltimore career the only real "what if" id be interested in is what if jimmy smith hadnt gone down in 2014

That Jimmy Smith what if might truly be the difference between another ring.
 

RavensMania

Staff Member
Administrator
Wait didn't he tear his ACL in 2015? Because that year he regressed significantly e.g. bad footwork after Kubiak left.
2013 was just awful. Bad management, OC, Wr, OL, RB.
yes, he tore his ACL in 2015. It was the Rams game (9th or 10th week of the season).
 

29BmoreBird22

Staff Member
Moderator
Writer
I think the Matt Ryan question is interesting, but people who say he couldn't carry the Ravens are absurd because Matt Ryan had arguably the greatest playoff run to not win a Super Bowl in 2017. He was better than Joe was in 2012, statistically speaking.
 

RavensMania

Staff Member
Administrator
I think the Matt Ryan question is interesting, but people who say he couldn't carry the Ravens are absurd because Matt Ryan had arguably the greatest playoff run to not win a Super Bowl in 2017. He was better than Joe was in 2012, statistically speaking.
all he needed was one more running play
 

Nurps

MVP
Not sure its been brought up but I ALWAYS wonder "what if" Sergio Kindles ass didnt tumble down a flight of stairs.......

I always picture Chevy Chases Gerald Ford impression lol (old people will get it)
 

RavensMania

Staff Member
Administrator
How about if Tom Brady is drafted by an NFC team. Do we have a two to three more Super Bowls.
 

Tank

Hall of Famer
Not sure its been brought up but I ALWAYS wonder "what if" Sergio Kindles ass didnt tumble down a flight of stairs.......

I always picture Chevy Chases Gerald Ford impression lol (old people will get it)
Yeah there were high hopes for Kindle, but the caution signs were up on him before the draft.
 

Willbacker

Ravens Ring of Honor
Not sure its been brought up but I ALWAYS wonder "what if" Sergio Kindles ass didnt tumble down a flight of stairs.......

I always picture Chevy Chases Gerald Ford impression lol (old people will get it)

What if we drafted Everson Griffin instead. He was Kiper's best available for like 70 or 80 picks even before we picked Kindle. Then we picked Mt Useless. Ugh!!
 
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JAAM

Hall of Famer

JO_75

Hall of Famer
Draft What Ifs:

2012: Instead of trading back with the Vikings who took Harrison Smith, we stay at 29 & Draft Smith ourselves. Considering we released Pollard just a month later in 2013, we would have been set at Strong Safety with Harrison taking over full time from Pollard in 2013. I imagine he gets some plays in as well his rookie year.
 

JoeyFlex5

Hall of Famer
What if we:
Re signed zadarius Smith
Traded Judon after 2018
Signed Matthieu instead of earl
Had cap space to sign clowney
 
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