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The Good (?), the Bad and the Ugly: Week 4 Edition

Tank

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arnie_uk said:
Doesnt change my mind. He doesnt get more than an inch of the ground.

Go watch the Denver interception with about 1 minute left last night and tell me again perriman jumped
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If that was a jump Breshad could star in the new movie "Black Men Can't Jump". LMAO!
 
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29BmoreBird22

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Tank said:
4 drops? Do you even watch the games? Guessing not. Maybe 4 yesterday. And what sort of stat says ".......without being sacked". He was sacked 4 times yesterday alone, and hurried a bunch more. Dumb. Fake news.

And again you ignore the point that our WRs aren't making catches that most NFL WRs make, whether stat gatherers classify them as drops or not. Just simple plain fact proven by the eye test.

naive......lol. OK. Now I'll drop it. smh
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I'm giving you what several different outlets have tracked the receivers with having. It might not be updated due to having a game tonight, but at the moment, they have the Ravens with four drops.

Without being sacked, as in when he actually threw the ball. If he's attempted 200 passes and been sacked 20, it'd be 220 total passing attempts, but only 200 were actual passes. That's why that stat was relevant. It actually aids your argument that the receivers aren't helping him out because it would increase their drop rates by excluding sacks from the attempted passes.

The Wallace one was the only one where I can say it was completely inexcusable yesterday to have dropped and was flat out egregious. The eye test is a really piss poor way to evaluate things because it's biased and it doesn't usually rely on actually going back and examining the game again or watching the All-22.

Yes, I think it is incredibly naive, especially when someone brings up "the eye test."
 
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arnie_uk said:
Doesnt change my mind. He doesnt get more than an inch of the ground.

Go watch the Denver interception with about 1 minute left last night and tell me again perriman jumped
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Tank said:
This article pretty much restates and illustrates everything Arnie and I have been saying all day.

https://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2...eelers-collins-watson-perriman-wallace-maclin
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You obviously are seeing what you want to see and that's all I'll say about it.
 
OURavensFan

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29BmoreBird22 said:
I'm giving you what several different outlets have tracked the receivers with having. It might not be updated due to having a game tonight, but at the moment, they have the Ravens with four drops.

Without being sacked, as in when he actually threw the ball. If he's attempted 200 passes and been sacked 20, it'd be 220 total passing attempts, but only 200 were actual passes. That's why that stat was relevant. It actually aids your argument that the receivers aren't helping him out because it would increase their drop rates by excluding sacks from the attempted passes.

The Wallace one was the only one where I can say it was completely inexcusable yesterday to have dropped and was flat out egregious. The eye test is a really piss poor way to evaluate things because it's biased and it doesn't usually rely on actually going back and examining the game again or watching the All-22.

Yes, I think it is incredibly naive, especially when someone brings up "the eye test."
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Did Camp drop a TD? It was difficult to tell what happened, I thought the lack of replays was disappointing in the broadcast
 
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29BmoreBird22

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OURavensFan said:
Did Camp drop a TD? It was difficult to tell what happened, I thought the lack of replays was disappointing in the broadcast
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I'm not sure when the drop was charted. This was for the entire season so far (may only be the first three weeks; not entirely sure), but it would have been on the season, not in this game.
 
OURavensFan

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29BmoreBird22 said:
I'm giving you what several different outlets have tracked the receivers with having. It might not be updated due to having a game tonight, but at the moment, they have the Ravens with four drops.

Without being sacked, as in when he actually threw the ball. If he's attempted 200 passes and been sacked 20, it'd be 220 total passing attempts, but only 200 were actual passes. That's why that stat was relevant. It actually aids your argument that the receivers aren't helping him out because it would increase their drop rates by excluding sacks from the attempted passes.

The Wallace one was the only one where I can say it was completely inexcusable yesterday to have dropped and was flat out egregious. The eye test is a really piss poor way to evaluate things because it's biased and it doesn't usually rely on actually going back and examining the game again or watching the All-22.

Yes, I think it is incredibly naive, especially when someone brings up "the eye test."
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Some would say Andy dalton has good stats and I say he's bad and is carried by the surrounding talent, he doesn't pass mine or a lot of people's eye test. But his QB rating is over 90 this year. Stats, stats, stats.

I understand your larger point though, as an Econ nerd, empirical data is a must. My issue is in the NFL literally every statistic is influenced by what's around you, even FG %
 
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OURavensFan said:
Some would say Andy dalton has good stats and I say he's bad and is carried by the surrounding talent, he doesn't pass mine or a lot of people's eye test. But his QB rating is over 90 this year. Stats, stats, stats.

I understand your larger point though, as an Econ nerd, empirical data is a must. My issue is in the NFL literally every statistic is influenced by what's around you, even FG %
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Well, I think if you watched him in the past two games since they fired their OC, I think he's been playing light years better. Sure, having AJ Green helps a ton, but he himself has stepped up his play a lot with their new OC.

Anyway, I'm a biochemistry major and having evidence and numbers to support an argument are imperative for me. You cannot simply say, "I used the eye test," and that essentially be your argument. If you provide me with examples to support your argument and provide me with numbers to back up your claims, I will be far more likely to believe you than simply saying, "I used the eye test." Because let's be honest- the eye test has a great deal of bias and the eye test isn't often reviewed, so it can be impacted by what we want to remember, not what really happened.
 
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RavensMania said:
You obviously are seeing what you want to see and that's all I'll say about it.
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I don't think Perriman jumped, but on the same token, if he does jump, his momentum only carries him closer to the sideline and he's likely not keeping his footing and you run into the sticky situation of whether or not he actually toe taps both feet, whether he completes the process of the catch, whether he touches out of bounds before getting both feet down, etc. Nothing about that was a routine catch.
 
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29BmoreBird22 said:
Well, I think if you watched him in the past two games since they fired their OC, I think he's been playing light years better. Sure, having AJ Green helps a ton, but he himself has stepped up his play a lot with their new OC.

Anyway, I'm a biochemistry major and having evidence and numbers to support an argument are imperative for me. You cannot simply say, "I used the eye test," and that essentially be your argument. If you provide me with examples to support your argument and provide me with numbers to back up your claims, I will be far more likely to believe you than simply saying, "I used the eye test." Because let's be honest- the eye test has a great deal of bias and the eye test isn't often reviewed, so it can be impacted by what we want to remember, not what really happened.
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He was awful in second half at Green Bay and had wide open players he missed, but yes, he's looked better but he also played the Browns who I have no idea how they manage to be so bad every year. Hue has them in the right direction right ? Lol Should be 0-20

The only issue with comparing catches elite WRs make for their QBs is quantifying it, I'm not sure how you can do that. Now maybe we can get their with next gen stats, i.e., this player made a catch with the ball 5 feet above him x % etc
 
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