The Win, The Penalties and Everything Else

[gtalk12]

the PI was bullshit though - not much you can do about that

That's my point lol. I am not really worried about the defense. Those bs calls are the reason they scored more than they should of

 

[rmcjacket23]

I was looking for a way to state this. Earl was like Stanley From the office, grumpy old fuck who checked out and was done working and didn’t vibe with the younger guys around him. AB would at the very least be part of the culture, long term yeah he would probably end up a problem, but in the short term I just don’t see how he could be winning, playing with his cousin, playing in a great locker room with a great culture, compete for a super bowl, and in only 2 months after taking a year and a half off of football he would throw it all away because he was open and not targeted.

humans learn from the error of their ways, plain and simple. If I never learned from my mistakes holy shit I’d be a worthless alcoholic with a 300 credit score.

1. Many, many, many humans never learn a thing from the error of their ways. That's why prison's have so many repeat offenders. That's why mortuaries have many dead bodies of people who had been making the same mistakes for years.
2. He can learn from his mistakes. I'm fine with that. Doesn't mean everybody should give him another opportunity, nor does it mean the Ravens should be the one's to do it. I don't buy into any of the "well he's playing with his cousin" BS. That has literally no relevance to me whatsoever. If you need playing with your cousin as a motivator to straighten yourself out and get back in the league, you've proven all character concerns are valid.

Guy had basically a 10 year NFL career and made almost $76M just from what he did on the field, let alone endorsements, etc. There's about a thousand ways he can "learn from his mistakes" and become a productive citizen that don't involve ever playing in the NFL again. See Ray Rice.

 

[rmcjacket23]

That's my point lol. I am not really worried about the defense. Those bs calls are the reason they scored more than they should of

I have minor concerns specifically from the Eagles game.
a) they gave up some big runs. Probably a product of no Williams or Wolfe in the lineup, but that's more proof that they lack depth on the Dline and can't overcome injuries to certain players. In the 7 games Williams has now missed from 2017-yesterday, Ravens have now allowed 5.1 YPC and an average of 165 rushing yards/game allowed. I know a lot of people on here think he's overpaid (which makes no logical sense) and that he's not valuable, but there's no way that's 7 games of coincidence. Its not all about him, but once again the Ravens struggle to overcome injuries to keep players, and it showed yesterday.
b) a couple busted coverages in the secondary, I believe at least 1-2 were bailed out by dropped passes or errant throws. A QB who had more time to throw or was more accurate would have made several more big plays in that game yesterday. Eagles made a lot of mistakes on offense just like the Ravens did.

Fortunately a lot of these things can be cleaned up through health and better discipline/assignment integrity, hence why I'm far less concerned about those.

Average person who doesn't watch the games would think 30 points on offense is enough to win, and that 28 given up by the defense isn't that great. And while that's technically true, its not a reflection of how the game actually played out.

 

[drjohnnyfever]

I was looking for a way to state this. Earl was like Stanley From the office, grumpy old fuck who checked out and was done working and didn’t vibe with the younger guys around him. AB would at the very least be part of the culture, long term yeah he would probably end up a problem, but in the short term I just don’t see how he could be winning, playing with his cousin, playing in a great locker room with a great culture, compete for a super bowl, and in only 2 months after taking a year and a half off of football he would throw it all away because he was open and not targeted.

humans learn from the error of their ways, plain and simple. If I never learned from my mistakes holy shit I’d be a worthless alcoholic with a 300 credit score.

I just don't see it happening with AB. He's a great player, but he has no control of his mouth, it seems. Maybe he's learned, I just don't trust that. Plus, under Harbaugh, that is not a player characteristic the team seeks in signing contracts. Sure, you could say, "What about Earl?" ...and I'd respond that he didn't even make it half way thru his contract before the team grew tired of the show. Don't think they go down that road again with another potentially loose cannon.

 

[rossihunter2]

Anthony Averett shoulder fracture - not a season ender but he will miss 5-6 weeks

that definitely changes how we play in the secondary - will limit the ability of jimmy smith to play safety and matchup with TEs

thankfully gilchrist has shown enough to take some of those backend snaps so that jimmy can come in and play corner but with averett sidelined for a while it takes away a lot of our positional flexibility on the backend

it's a shame for him though because he's been playing really well but at least it's not the end of his season and he'll be able to come back and help us sometime after this tough 5 game stretch of games we've got ahead of us

 

[rossihunter2]

pretty damning - miles is going to have to do a lot to earn back lamar's trust i think

and if it wasnt clear, it certainly seems clear that these are mostly on miles and not lamar (or at least that seems to be the insinuation)

 

[SepticeyePoe]

pretty damning - miles is going to have to do a lot to earn back lamar's trust i think

and if it wasnt clear, it certainly seems clear that these are mostly on miles and not lamar (or at least that seems to be the insinuation)

Wow, that was a really big fuck up by Boykin then.

 

[Dom McRaven]

One thing I keep going back to is 2012, I just can’t help it. We were tooting the super bowl horn all the way up until late November when the losing streak started, and at no point did that team look as good or have anywhere near the potential that this team has.

we are truly spoiled. It looks ugly at times and Lamar and Roman are really shitting the bed, but compare this team shitting the bed to Flacco and Cameron shitting the bed, my god.. the difference is that Lamar Jackson’s ravens can absolutely shit the bed against a quality opponent and still win, Joe Flacco’s ravens could Be somewhat inconsistent against a bottom dweller and fucking lose.

You chose the perfect game to mention this afterwards. 2012 was the last time we played in Philly against Vick's Eagles. We led at halftime with a score of 17-7. We lost the game 23-24 when our offense fell to shit in the 2nd half.

 

[D1City55]

watching anquan boldin highlights from the 2012 season is insane when you look at just how dominant he was - a boldin (or boldin-like) player on this team right now would be incredible

that superbowl offence was blessed with weapons that all had complementary skillsets - Boldin, Torrey Smith, Dennis Pitta, Ray Rice

and then those 4 guys were backed up by Jacoby Jones in a part-time role and Bernard Pierce who was great that season as a change of pace back (never did anything after that year though lol)

and then i look at this year's weapons and I see Andrews being awesome and Hollywood's clearly our number 1 WR but no one else that's chipping in and making plays that threaten a defence

right now despite our incredible athleticism on offence we're not stressing defences at all - its so comfortable for them to defend us

After seeing Campbell and McPhee, I can honestly say that the DL will get much better as the season progresses. I think we will have a solid pass rush, nothing special but it will do enough to get the job done. I think we will definitely have a good defense this season, one good enough to win the SB. It's the offense that clearly needs all the help it can get. I think a WR2 would do so much for us but it doesn't sound like we'll make a move there given the cap situation.

 

[rossihunter2]

Wow, that was a really big fuck up by Boykin then.

having listened to the actual audio it's not quite as scathing as it reads but its pretty clear (to me) that there's a warning in there - he clearly likes boykin (and last week he specifically said boykin was 'in the right spots and running the right routes' - but that could have been him protecting him as a coach)

but this sounded to me like boykin's not out but he's on his last chance

 

[rossihunter2]

After seeing Campbell and McPhee, I can honestly say that the DL will get much better as the season progresses. I think we will have a solid pass rush, nothing special but it will do enough to get the job done. I think we will definitely have a good defense this season, one good enough to win the SB. It's the offense that clearly needs all the help it can get. I think a WR2 would do so much for us but it doesn't sound like we'll make a move there given the cap situation.

pernell mcphee the last 2 weeks has been awesome, he's been the least lauded guy so far this year in that ravens front but he's been quietly dominant off the edge (ironically i think he's been least effective inside despite that being where he made his money in his first stint in baltimore - and even last year pre-injury)

 

[organizedchaos21]

You chose the perfect game to mention this afterwards. 2012 was the last time we played in Philly against Vick's Eagles. We led at halftime with a score of 17-7. We lost the game 23-24 when our offense fell to shit in the 2nd half.

Hmm, I think you have a typo in your post. I think it should read "when the officials threw a bullshit flag for OPI and wiped the go-ahead TD off the board."

 

[Deebo813]

1. Many, many, many humans never learn a thing from the error of their ways. That's why prison's have so many repeat offenders. That's why mortuaries have many dead bodies of people who had been making the same mistakes for years.
2. He can learn from his mistakes. I'm fine with that. Doesn't mean everybody should give him another opportunity, nor does it mean the Ravens should be the one's to do it. I don't buy into any of the "well he's playing with his cousin" BS. That has literally no relevance to me whatsoever. If you need playing with your cousin as a motivator to straighten yourself out and get back in the league, you've proven all character concerns are valid.

Guy had basically a 10 year NFL career and made almost $76M just from what he did on the field, let alone endorsements, etc. There's about a thousand ways he can "learn from his mistakes" and become a productive citizen that don't involve ever playing in the NFL again. See Ray Rice.

Its much easier turning your life around in AB situation than someone coming out of prison lol. Its def much easier staying alive when youre in AB situation also. I get what you mean but the two arent really even close.

 

[Deebo813]

After seeing Campbell and McPhee, I can honestly say that the DL will get much better as the season progresses. I think we will have a solid pass rush, nothing special but it will do enough to get the job done. I think we will definitely have a good defense this season, one good enough to win the SB. It's the offense that clearly needs all the help it can get. I think a WR2 would do so much for us but it doesn't sound like we'll make a move there given the cap situation.

i think so too but by then, we may start having DB trouble

 

[Deebo813]

I just don't see it happening with AB. He's a great player, but he has no control of his mouth, it seems. Maybe he's learned, I just don't trust that. Plus, under Harbaugh, that is not a player characteristic the team seeks in signing contracts. Sure, you could say, "What about Earl?" ...and I'd respond that he didn't even make it half way thru his contract before the team grew tired of the show. Don't think they go down that road again with another potentially loose cannon.

I dnt think AB would last here.. wants too much attention. Maybe we could sign then bench him till offs lol? Probably cant even do that
Without him starting some shit

 

[UPennChem]

pretty damning - miles is going to have to do a lot to earn back lamar's trust i think

and if it wasnt clear, it certainly seems clear that these are mostly on miles and not lamar (or at least that seems to be the insinuation)

OK so I am one who is kinda always saying Harbs is pretty bad at actually instituting changes. But I'm really glad to hear this. Damning for Boykin, but it seems they've directly addressed it personally and a warning has been issued. This will likely bring the best out in Boykin or his time is up. Either way, it's putting a better version of the ravens offense out.

 

[drjohnnyfever]

I dnt think AB would last here.. wants too much attention. Maybe we could sign then bench him till offs lol? Probably cant even do that
Without him starting some shit

But to me it's even more than the bad fit... I'm not in because I think they should be looking for an O-lineman. Off the scrap heap or in a trade, that's a more pressing need. Fix the line, fix our problems on OFF. Whether that comes from coaching or acquiring a player to sure up the line, do it. The O-line is struggling and it's making the OFF struggle as a whole as a result.

 

[Dom McRaven]

Hmm, I think you have a typo in your post. I think it should read "when the officials threw a bullshit flag for OPI and wiped the go-ahead TD off the board."

How sad that history almost repeated itself: getting screwed over by a bullshit PI flag. Only difference, other from the QB, is the fact that we were wearing our purples in 2012.

 

[Deebo813]

But to me it's even more than the bad fit... I'm not in because I think they should be looking for an O-lineman. Off the scrap heap or in a trade, that's a more pressing need. Fix the line, fix our problems on OFF. Whether that comes from coaching or acquiring a player to sure up the line, do it. The O-line is struggling and it's making the OFF struggle as a whole as a result.

I agree.. olineman would help more than a wr would

 

[JoeyFlex5]

You chose the perfect game to mention this afterwards. 2012 was the last time we played in Philly against Vick's Eagles. We led at halftime with a score of 17-7. We lost the game 23-24 when our offense fell to shit in the 2nd half.

Except that year we had the blessing of phillys home opener. 5th straight team to play philly in their home opener and win the super bowl