Respectfully... please. We can't continue to blame the talent. Many have blamed the talent for years. Other teams are able to develop WR's and QB's, why not us? To me, it's coaching. It's gone on long enough with enough draft cycles with the same player criticisms to continue to say it's merely players and that they "don't get it" or "buy in." At some point we need to question whether the team is doing enough in the coaching realm once these high value picks get to the bigs, for Pete's sake. This has been the excuse at WR for a decade. We need to look in the mirror, especially when we see lesser prospects on other teams far exceeding our draft value at that position.
God I hope we sign him or another legitimate #1 receiver
I think that’s part of it but we’ve also added a bunch of athletes there that needed development. Hopefully coaching does that but also have to understand the floor is low.
I mean, look at Boykin. Put up insane testing numbers but nothing he does on the field matches up. Is that coaching’s fault or is that just another FO fault?
I think it’s all of the above. FO has a different idea of what a WR is. Coaching can’t develop it. Personnel just isn’t that good. It’s a multitude of failures, coaching included. But not solely coaching.
We have not taken many shots at WRs either. Lots of mid to late round picks until recently. Hollywood is developing well after a rough start to this year, so I’d say that’s a hit and we could see even better with some more competence around him.
But other than that, look at our draft history. Not many high picks and we definitely dropped the ball in some really good draft classes by thinking late rounds picks were value instead of just getting someone that’s actually good.
Gonna hit and gonna miss, but hard to get those hits when you don’t really try either.
so why don't you show up when we win. That's a fair question.But yea I'm a "troll". Yall just happy with mediocrity.
Y'all gon make me do this shit?!?!?
the problem is that it's multiple WR coaches and now multiple GMs - so where do you pinpoint the coaching failing?
and idk - who outside of Breshad Perriman has entered the ravens building the last decade and shown talent-wise that they could be anything more than they are or were when they were a raven...
i go back to what i was saying before we drafted hollywood and that it's a failure to take shots on receivers in the draft with enough high picks - steelers bring in a new guy seemingly every year on day 2 - multiple 2nd and 3rd round picks in recent years...
we just haven't taken enough shots - we started to rectify that when we took hollywood and boykin and now duvernay and hollywood looks to be somewhat a success albeit not quite the dominant number 1 we were hoping but still a good player who's a quality starter with game-breaking potential but the other 2 haven't shown much - we have to keep drafting and adding guys and not just rest on our laurels
it's been masked by brandon williams being here for so many years and michael pierce coming in as a udfa but we missed on a lot of DL too but the difference there is that we've consistently taken shots at that position and it means that we get to end up with a justin madubuike
we've been blessed amazing talent evaluators and 2 amazing GMs and sometimes their hit rates at other positions have led us to expect them to nail every single pick every single year when part of the game of the draft (and the reason the ravens have been so good at this) is the understanding that it is a lottery and the more tickets you buy the better chance you have at winning - we've bought lots of tickets at lots of positions but not many WRs the last decade until the last 2 drafts[/QUOTE]
so why don't you show up when we win. That's a fair question.
That's a bit generous... Other than Torrey Smith, we've never really "hit" on WR despite where he was picked. And that was a modest success at best. Fit the team perfectly, but... You could go all the way back to Travis Taylor - - - none of our picks at the position have panned out particularly well despite their draft position despite trying at all levels. While other teams seem to find, at least, adequacy regularly at any level in the draft.
It's also not fair to look at what we missed by what other teams have done with players and the success they had. Every team misses targets in the drafts or desired players. The point is the picks we have made historically at the WR position have not panned out. I suppose you could blame drafting, but I just don't see it that way over the long haul. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut.
I see it as despite the attributes of the player - and they all differ - we have not been able to develop even ONE all-pro WR! Jermaine Lewis, 1998 and 2001 and that was for KR's. Jacoby Jones in the only other Ravens all pro WR. We've made our hay in the WR department on Free Agent signings.
We wouldn't know how to develop and coach a WR out of college anymore than we'd be able to raise a pig to the Blue Ribbon at the 4H.
There's just no way in my mind that our draft group could have failed in their evaluation of that ONE position group so miserably so consistently. Their track record on other positions would DICTATE at least one success over the years, yet there are NONE. That is a coaching issue. There's no other explanation to me. Who do you blame it on? There's no one person or coach. It's not valued as highly as other positions to coach up is all I can guess. But there is NO way a team as talented, as you say, fails that miserably at evaluating one position as consistently as you are saying we do at WR.
bills fans being classy - respect to them