The Random Thought Thread

[JoeyFlex5]

But again, they do have a choice here. They control his fate. If they don't find a trade they like, Orlando Brown is stuck playing RT or sitting out. And he'd be incredibly dumb to sit out.

Do we wanna be the team that trots out a backup RT while the starter is sitting at home with a third round rookie contract and a price tag that should be a first and more?

neither the Steelers nor leveon bell made out in that situation, both sides looked like shit in the end and looked like shit in the interim as well.

 

[Simba]

Do we wanna be the team that trots out a backup RT while the starter is sitting at home with a third round rookie contract and a price tag that should be a first and more?

neither the Steelers nor leveon bell made out in that situation, both sides looked like shit in the end and looked like shit in the interim as well.

CBA is much different now though. OBJ would accumulate fines larger than his salary and lose a year of service time. He's not going to be sitting out unless he's really dumb. If he was a guy on a big contract, maybe. But no guy on a rookie contract is going to hold out.

 

[rossihunter2]

CBA is much different now though. OBJ would accumulate fines larger than his salary and lose a year of service time. He's not going to be sitting out unless he's really dumb. If he was a guy on a big contract, maybe. But no guy on a rookie contract is going to hold out.

it's more that there's a possibility that he can create a toxic environment (if he wanted to)

i dont actually think having seen the way Orlando and the rest of the Ravens interact that there's actually any bad blood here - just a guy venting who feels like he's underpaid (which he is) and who wants to be LT rather than RT but knows that's not going to happen

 

[Simba]

it's more that there's a possibility that he can create a toxic environment (if he wanted to)

i dont actually think having seen the way Orlando and the rest of the Ravens interact that there's actually any bad blood here - just a guy venting who feels like he's underpaid (which he is) and who wants to be LT rather than RT but knows that's not going to happen

Yeah I think that's the only risk and I don't really see it as much of one. Sure, he might be disappointed if he's stuck playing RT but I'm sure he'll have multiple guys in his ear, including the FO, telling him that he's going to get his LT opportunity if he just hunkers down and does his job.

 

[rossihunter2]

Yeah I think that's the only risk and I don't really see it as much of one. Sure, he might be disappointed if he's stuck playing RT but I'm sure he'll have multiple guys in his ear, including the FO, telling him that he's going to get his LT opportunity if he just hunkers down and does his job.

I think all this does is maybe get some teams to give EDC an inquiring call - and maybe put out some feelers - the offer would have to be really good for us to let him go

 

[JoeyFlex5]

CBA is much different now though. OBJ would accumulate fines larger than his salary and lose a year of service time. He's not going to be sitting out unless he's really dumb. If he was a guy on a big contract, maybe. But no guy on a rookie contract is going to hold out.

Oh damn I wasn’t familiar with that, I didn’t know any of that was in the new cba, honestly Idk shit about the cba lol

 

[Simba]

Oh damn I wasn’t familiar with that, I didn’t know any of that was in the new cba, honestly Idk shit about the cba lol

Yeah they basically shut down holdouts. $40K per day and you can lose a year of service by just holding out for 5 days. No idea why the union agreed to that but they did...

 

[Simba]

I think all this does is maybe get some teams to give EDC an inquiring call - and maybe put out some feelers - the offer would have to be really good for us to let him go

That's honestly more what I feel this is. He's not necessarily disgruntled but he's letting teams know that he wants to play LT and would be open to leaving if someone wants to make an offer. I would be willing to bet they approached him about a long term deal and obviously it was "RT money" and he saw the writing on the wall and this is how he chose to handle it. Still think it's been handled horribly but I don't think he's going to show up and be a pain in the ass if he's forced to play RT.

 

[rossihunter2]

Yeah they basically shut down holdouts. $40K per day and you can lose a year of service by just holding out for 5 days. No idea why the union agreed to that but they did...

no idea why the union agreed to a lot of things tbh - think the pandemic might have scared many of the voters

 

[JoeyFlex5]

Yeah they basically shut down holdouts. $40K per day and you can lose a year of service by just holding out for 5 days. No idea why the union agreed to that but they did...

Well shit good, I don’t like holdouts, you have an obligation to the team, even if you are WELL deserving of more from your team you still have a contract with them. Like I get it in some instances and I don’t fault players for wanting to get what they’re worth, but holdouts are just extreme

 

[rossihunter2]

That's honestly more what I feel this is. He's not necessarily disgruntled but he's letting teams know that he wants to play LT and would be open to leaving if someone wants to make an offer. I would be willing to bet they approached him about a long term deal and obviously it was "RT money" and he saw the writing on the wall and this is how he chose to handle it. Still think it's been handled horribly but I don't think he's going to show up and be a pain in the ass if he's forced to play RT.

the only beat guy or insider who's said that this has been symptomatic of a broken relationship is *** and we all know just how reputable he is lol

 

[rossihunter2]

Well shit good, I don’t like holdouts, you have an obligation to the team, even if you are WELL deserving of more from your team you still have a contract with them. Like I get it in some instances and I don’t fault players for wanting to get what they’re worth, but holdouts are just extreme

tbf to the young guys - they dont exactly have the chance to negotiate that contract to begin with because of the rookie wage scale - like i get why it's important that rookie deals are a thing but you cant expect players to be happy about having their market value artificially lowered for the first 4 years of their career

 

[JoeyFlex5]

tbf to the young guys - they dont exactly have the chance to negotiate that contract to begin with because of the rookie wage scale - like i get why it's important that rookie deals are a thing but you cant expect players to be happy about having their market value artificially lowered for the first 4 years of their career

That’s actually a good point, how often does this happen to players after signing big deals?

 

[Simba]

the only beat guy or insider who's said that this has been symptomatic of a broken relationship is *** and we all know just how reputable he is lol

And then we have Jeff who has continually maintained that if they got an offer of a 1st or something equivalent, they'd probably move him. But they clearly don't feel pressured because they have no reason to be pressured. *** is the king of overreacting, and obviously, has no real connections. Still remember the 3 straight years where Torrey Smith was supposed to return lol

 

[JoeyFlex5]

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[rmcjacket23]

no idea why the union agreed to a lot of things tbh - think the pandemic might have scared many of the voters

Because things like this don't impact but a small handful of players. Its like people who can't understand why the players still allow for a franchise tag. They do it because it impacts less than 1% of the overall player pool.

The number of players on rookie deals or really on any deal that are in a position to "hold out" for substantial periods is incredibly low. For every one of those guys, there's like 20 guys who would have their roster status terminated immediately if they pulled that crap, and there's a hundred guys waiting in line who would take their place for less money in a second.

The NFLPA only pretends to care about this stuff. They really don't.

 

[rmcjacket23]

tbf to the young guys - they dont exactly have the chance to negotiate that contract to begin with because of the rookie wage scale - like i get why it's important that rookie deals are a thing but you cant expect players to be happy about having their market value artificially lowered for the first 4 years of their career

True, but also to be fair, its self-inflicted by the NFLPA. The rookie wage scale was their idea. The veterans got tired of 1st round picks signing $100M contracts while having proven nothing in the league. So the NFLPA lobbied for reform and got it. Now if you're a veteran, you're pretty much guaranteed to make more money than anybody who wasn't a first round pick that's still on a rookie deal.

 

[Simba]

True, but also to be fair, its self-inflicted by the NFLPA. The rookie wage scale was their idea. The veterans got tired of 1st round picks signing $100M contracts while having proven nothing in the league. So the NFLPA lobbied for reform and got it. Now if you're a veteran, you're pretty much guaranteed to make more money than anybody who wasn't a first round pick that's still on a rookie deal.

I think they had the right idea. Teams couldn't recover if they made a bad pick and it's hard to justify that when the draft itself is kind of crapshoot. I do think they need to add in some escalators or something. I know they have the extra pay that comes in for late rounders that turn into starters, but the stars are still kind of left out to dry. That 5th year option is certainly interesting. Good pay but no security and it hamstrings those guys even longer when they develop into stars and are trying to get their worth.

 

[Dom McRaven]

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[purplepittabread88]

I totally and understand the argument of that if we trade a RT we really step down in the right tackle category. I need to look for free agents but if we trade him I would really like to try and sign someone decent enough to do the job. it is understated how value nick Boyle could be as the helper to a right tackle but I also understand that hurts our ability to stretch the field

my argument comes down to this,(in the case we get a pick in the teens for obj) I would rather pay for a right tackle in free agency and draft an elite rusher or an elite wr (or even mediocre players at both of those if we get a late first and second) than over pay for AR and then just go on and have to draft a right tackle next year anyway.

I struggled to explain what I mean accurately but we have to draft a linemen because we lose obj regardless. tell me if its in a month or a year